You dont have to justified yourself. I was not pointing my finger at you. Sorry if you felt pointed at. But i am mostly angry about the hypes. Example. Nylon 66s. A few years ago no much word about them. Could be bought between 2 and 300$ wich is about what they really worth. But now!! Its like everybody wants one and i have seen them on the EE 400$ and more FIRM!! Come on!!! The value did not go up one cent. But some buyers did pay that ammount and some sellers go with people willingness to pay. Anyway, i will not change anything here. So if i want something, i m willing to wait for a fair price even if i have to wait a bit. And yes a 452 is a very nice rifle. A LUX was sold for about 529$ new. So a used should not be over 450$.