Why no love for the Steiner scopes?

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The name never seems to show up here, but I had one in my hand yesterday and it was more than impressive!
I was comparing it to Leopold high end stuff.
They aren't cheap, but the eye relief combined with amazing glass may very well have won me over.
 
UNDER representation is the biggest issue, couple that with the poor reticle choices and typically lower power scopes that are expensive compared to many are the biggest issues I see with Steiner. Their optics are clear, they just need to start thinking less European and more North American to make in it in this part of the world.
 
IMHO Steiner brand is Gemany's "Tasco"....
I have no experience with Steiner riflescopes but if their quality is comparable to their binoculars then I wouldn't touch it with 10 ft pole!
 
Steiner is known for military marine porro prism binoculars in thick OD green rubber armoring with gimmicks like compasses,etc. Then they tried delving into the world of roof prism binocs and scopes for the average consumer, and by that time it was too late.
 
You would figure the last guy that called Steiner scopes the German "Tasco" would have figured out how dumb he sounded that it wouldn't happen again, I digress
Steiner builds some of the finest scopes on the market with their Military line, these scopes are in the conversation with Schmidt & Bender, Premier Reticles... but at a cheaper price point. High quality construction, excellent optics, pretty good turrets, mil-dot or MSR reticle for under $3000 MSRP... There is nothing on the market that can compete with this scope maybe with the exception of the new Vortex but that remains to be seen.
 
ivo said:
You would figure the last guy that called Steiner scopes the German "Tasco" would have figured out how dumb he sounded that it wouldn't happen again, I digress
Steiner builds some of the finest scopes on the market with their Military line, these scopes are in the conversation with Schmidt & Bender, Premier Reticles... but at a cheaper price point. High quality construction, excellent optics, pretty good turrets, mil-dot or MSR reticle for under $3000 MSRP... There is nothing on the market that can compete with this scope maybe with the exception of the new Vortex but that remains to be seen.
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I agree with you - Some guys really should just sit down and give their mouths a chance!
 
I had a pair of Steiner M-22 7X50mm binos that needed the ocular adjustment rings replaced. They had no Canadian service center and was directed to the US Steiner warranty center. All I wanted to do was order replacement parts at my cost. They wouldn't help me one iota and the Germans referred me back to the US after I contacted them again.

I ended up buying a new set of binos, while the Steiners gather dust. As for scopes, given my experience I would never consider another Steiner product. But since then I've dropped at least $20,000 on glass from Leupold, S&B and NightForce while urging friends and family not to buy Steiner.
 
Optically the Steiner was nicer glass to look through than the Leopold beside it, eye relief was more forgiving and the prices were right in line.
Service is a different matter, that is always important to me.
 
X-man said:
I had a pair of Steiner M-22 7X50mm binos that needed the ocular adjustment rings replaced. They had no Canadian service center and was directed to the US Steiner warranty center. All I wanted to do was order replacement parts at my cost. They wouldn't help me one iota and the Germans referred me back to the US after I contacted them again.

I ended up buying a new set of binos, while the Steiners gather dust. As for scopes, given my experience I would never consider another Steiner product. But since then I've dropped at least $20,000 on glass from Leupold, S&B and NightForce while urging friends and family not to buy Steiner.
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Cool story bro. One case of a failed product is not empirical evidence nor is it of any other significant value when discussing the quality of said brand. By your experience every make is poor as I have seen and/or heard of failures from all brands. Steiner is far from low end.

Tdc
 
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German Tasco? A virtual kitten just died.

The Steiner 5-25x56mm occupies price point well below that of a comparable Schmidt Bender (particularly after the last round of price increases) while offering a great product. The consumer market has been shuffling its feet due to (as Rick mentioned) the lack of representation at the civillian level, however that is not the case with competition shooters, law enforcement or military.

I asked a representative at the SAKO LE/Mil booth why the TRG M10's had been sporting the Steiner 5-25's for two years in a row now, and they had many great reasons, price being one of them. Likewise, I asked reps at the Steiner booth where the vast majority of the 5-25's were being placed. They acquiesed that there was a lot of penetration remaining in the consumer market, but that they were pleased with their LE/Mil business for these scopes. I have yet to sell one over a Schmidt/NF/Premier...but as ivo said aptly, at the price point they are at, nothing really competes.
 
bearkilr said:
That right there is sig line material.
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f:P: Shhh.... Let the grown ups speak.

Ivo and Plainsight sum it up well. The Steiner "Military" series are a top tier optic and are one of the best buys out there for a scope with this combination of features and quality. As for Ivo's comment about the Vortex (HD Gen II), anyone who knows me knows what my opinion of Vortex's product has been. I must say that after thoroughly examining the new 3-18 & 4.5-27's at SHOT I am extremely impressed with this line of scopes. These are going to have a huge impact on the $2500ish segment of the scope market. I own 4 S&B PM II's and can say that I would not hesitate to buy another Steiner or the new Vortex HD in place of another S&B and keep an extra $1000 in my jeans.

For anyone curious about the Steiners I would encourage you to do your research on Snipers Hide. Those guys walk the talk and dont go spewing verbal diahrea about things they have no experience with or knowledge about. I think you'll find the Steiners held in lofty regard by people in the know.
 
bearkilr said:
That right there is sig line material.
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Do you work for some $h!t tabloid or maybe the Sun? I would suggest that you don't post things like this as you are embarrassing yourself and losing whatever cred you had quite quickly. Another thing, if you are going to quote me, quote me in context and get your facts straight. While it appears you don't like to educate yourself, it does appear that you like getting an education from the school of hard knocks.
 
Did the OP ask about that specific model? No, he asked about Steiner. You guys keep bringing up one single Steiner model that costs $3500. Fact is, Steiner in general is not regarded to be in the same league as the other top European optics manufacturers, those are the facts. Rant all you want.
My apologies if your feelings are hurt. :rolleyes:
 
bearkilr said:
Did the OP ask about that specific model? No, he asked about Steiner. You guys keep bringing up one single Steiner model that costs $3500. Fact is, Steiner in general is not regarded to be in the same league as the other top European optics manufacturers, those are the facts. Rant all you want.
My apologies if your feelings are hurt. :rolleyes:
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When we talk about Schmidt, Hensoldt, Nightforce NXS and so on guess what...those are all of their top of the line models aswell. Please stop being a D-bag with regards to these Premium Riflescopes that you know nothing about.

Sincerely,

A Canadian forces Sniper who has used them and knows more about Scopes than you ever will.
 
bearkilr said:
Did the OP ask about that specific model? No, he asked about Steiner. You guys keep bringing up one single Steiner model that costs $3500. Fact is, Steiner in general is not regarded to be in the same league as the other top European optics manufacturers, those are the facts. Rant all you want.
My apologies if your feelings are hurt. :rolleyes:
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The OP asked about a Steiner that "was impressive" he "compared to high end Leupold" and "was expensive". What do you think he was talking about? Actually, fact is, YES STEINER IS REGARDED IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS OTHER TOP EUROPEAN OPTICS MANUFACTURERS.

About my hurt feelings...apology accepted:rolleyes:
 
X-man said:
I had a pair of Steiner M-22 7X50mm binos that needed the ocular adjustment rings replaced. They had no Canadian service center and was directed to the US Steiner warranty center. All I wanted to do was order replacement parts at my cost. They wouldn't help me one iota and the Germans referred me back to the US after I contacted them again.

I ended up buying a new set of binos, while the Steiners gather dust. As for scopes, given my experience I would never consider another Steiner product. But since then I've dropped at least $20,000 on glass from Leupold, S&B and NightForce while urging friends and family not to buy Steiner.
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We had a 5-25 S and B at work that had a stripped Parallax knob...we couldn't get it replaced no matter what. eventually the scope went to the crusher. the crusher broke the scope beyond repair. I now truly believe that S and B are garbage and I refuse to shoot any rifle with one attached...ok that last part is BS. But it sounds like the post above.
 
swissinn said:
We had a 5-25 S and B at work that had a stripped Parallax knob...we couldn't get it replaced no matter what. eventually the scope went to the crusher. the crusher broke the scope beyond repair. I now truly believe that S and B are garbage and I refuse to shoot any rifle with one attached...ok that last part is BS. But it sounds like the post above.
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Yah! And one time about a year ago, I bought an extra-large 1 and 1 at Timmy's and the technician put the drinking opening right on the seam of the cup, so that when I took my first couple sips, a little dribbled down the cup and made a mess on my leather and in my cup holder! I returned to the store, walked inside, explained the problem, and asked them to replace my truck. They didn't.

I swore never to spend another PENNY at Timmy's after that. Fortunately the government did away with pennies and I can have my coffee again.

Can we actually discuss the finer points of these optics and sound less like a bunch of grey-haired birders with irritable bowel syndrome (no offence to anyone)?
 
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