Looking to get a .223 for the main purpose of predator hunting with some shorter range targeting (400 yards or so). I have been looking into both of these guns and have read mixed opinions about both, mainly giving the Savage the upper hand out of the box but the Remington having the advantage in after market parts. Not looking to get to crazy with the gun at this point, just a decent starter for the long range aspect and would appreciate some opinions. Both guns have a 12" twist and both available new for the mid $800 price range at the moment. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
Rem 700 Varmint vs Savage Model 12 .223?
- Thread starter cmorin22
- Start date
The Savage Model 12 223 rifles come standard with a 9" twist rate and some models are available with the 7" twist rate. The 9" twist rate is very versatile, allowing bullets up to 77 grains (depending on the rifle/bullet) which certainly exceed the performance of lighter bullets at extended ranges. I'm a Savage guy myself but if I were to buy a Remington I would pick one of the models that has a 9" twist rate for the reasons previously mentioned.
paperslayer
Regular
- Location
- Chilliwack
Why ask in the precision forum? These are not precision rifles, just factory guns... nothing special
Don't be an idjit.....
To the OP. I've owned both and my savage 12 shoots circles around my remmy. Just my 0.02
Wow. What's your problem? Major whatever it is.
freddyfour
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Brant County, Ontario
I say go the the Savage Precision Carbine
I have recently purchased a Remington 700 VTR in .223 and love it. I mounted an extended picatinny base and 6 hole rings and put a Vortex Diamondback 3.5-10x50 on it. This rifle drives tacks with just 55 grain fmj. I fully recommend the Remington 700 in any model.
You may want to think about an M700 VTR vs the SPS Varmint. Rifling is 1 in 9. Remington's marketing types pretending it's a 'tactical' thing. Not that it make much difference either way. It would prefer heavy bullets though
Anyway, it's very hard to beat any Savage for out of the box accuracy. Buy the thing based on price.
400 yards is pushing a .223 too.
Anyway, it's very hard to beat any Savage for out of the box accuracy. Buy the thing based on price.
400 yards is pushing a .223 too.
I own both, a Remmy 700 Varmint in 22-250 circa 1965 or so, and a newly acquired (2010) Savage BTCSS in 22-250 The Remmy pokes ragged holes with Hornady 55gr SX and 38 grs of W-760. I only kept a few targets shot with this rifle.
I took the Savage to the range on Nov 20-22 2010 and shot 28 targets, all with Speer 52 gr HP and several different powders. The best group was .181" and the worst group was .958" Average:.561" over 28 targets using several different powders. While not benchrest rifles, they are devastating on groundhogs at any reasonable distances. Back when I bought the 700, I would never have considered a Savage but now, it's my go-to rifle for fun and 'hogs.
It's a coin toss, IMHO!
Mike
I took the Savage to the range on Nov 20-22 2010 and shot 28 targets, all with Speer 52 gr HP and several different powders. The best group was .181" and the worst group was .958" Average:.561" over 28 targets using several different powders. While not benchrest rifles, they are devastating on groundhogs at any reasonable distances. Back when I bought the 700, I would never have considered a Savage but now, it's my go-to rifle for fun and 'hogs.
It's a coin toss, IMHO!
Mike
Last edited:
Matt_dal123
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
PLEASE enlighten us as to where he should post his question then hot shot?
Or maybe answer the question. Or move on.
wapitiwhacker
CGN Regular
- Location
- East Kootenay B.C.
Taken literally, the Savage shoots big circular groups around the Remington's ragged hole???
Sorry, couldn't resist.
sunray, I had a M700 SPS Tac that had no problem driving 69 SMKs to 600m with more than acceptable accuracy.
you are correct, but alas, the masses win to whine and moan about your lack of just answering the question,
and perhaps that is what it should be called a QUASI-PRECISION RIFLE SECTION
even if you are correct you will be stoned to death by the masses who want to talk about gun that shoot less than (even by just a c hair) under an inch sometime during the day,
to the masses carry on
to paperslayer, let us go shoot some groups
Cement Bench or Jefferson
I have both Savage and Remington varmint/target rifles . I agree that a 1:9 twist is what you should be looking for
in 223 , if you plan on shooting any targets . If you are looking for a walk around gun weight should be a deciding factor .
I find my Remington's easier to modify to what I want , more easily available parts . My Savage , out of the box is
the most accurate gun I own , but it is heavy . Savage parts are more difficult to come by , but Savage rifles have a
great advantage in easily owner changeable barrels . Bottom line I like both therefore I own both .
in 223 , if you plan on shooting any targets . If you are looking for a walk around gun weight should be a deciding factor .
I find my Remington's easier to modify to what I want , more easily available parts . My Savage , out of the box is
the most accurate gun I own , but it is heavy . Savage parts are more difficult to come by , but Savage rifles have a
great advantage in easily owner changeable barrels . Bottom line I like both therefore I own both .
Naw, I think we just need a "childish gear snob" forum. Yours and his posts are neither valid, nor appreciated. Notice you're the only one who has come to his defense? Wonder why that might be? If all you want to do is circle jerk all day about Nightforce this, and Accuracy International that, and insult anyone who doesn't fit in your narrow minded view of the sport, I suggest you go somewhere else. Custom high dollar machines are beautiful, and I wish I could afford one, but your comments are like saying that at Subaru BRZ isn't a sports car because it isn't as good as a Ferrari. Grow up dude, seriously.
you are correct, but alas, the masses win to whine and moan about your lack of just answering the question,
and perhaps that is what it should be called a QUASI-PRECISION RIFLE SECTION
even if you are correct you will be stoned to death by the masses who want to talk about gun that shoot less than (even by just a c hair) under an inch sometime during the day,
to the masses carry on
to paperslayer, let us go shoot some groups
Cement Bench or Jefferson
I wanted a 223 bolt action for the same usage as you specified in your post. I decided to go with the Remington 700 LTR because I wanted a 1-9 twist to stabilize heaver bullets, also I prefer shorter length rifles and thought the weight was a good comprise when it came to carrying it.
