AR10 Or Alike 7.62 Black Rifle
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I'm hooked on AR10's and it will definitely be my next purchase. I'm pretty sure I know which route I'm gonna go.
I think you need to define a few more parameters like what is your definition of 'long way down range' and your accuracy requirements for such a range.
Choices are extremely limited, but a non-restricted, 7.62mm semi-auto, that is highly accurate at long range (up to and including near max. effective range of the .308 - say 800m) is a built up national match M1A. Personally, I don't think any of the other currently available offerings (non-restricted semi-autos) meet that.
There are going to be several ARs that will do it, but then you are into a restricted rifle.
Price point also plays a fairly large factor in your choices.
I agree with Betfed give us more info. Arod and for goodness sake where are you Epoxy...
So do tell, what model did you choose?
Patriot Ordnance Factory P308 with a 14.5" barrel and NP3 coating. I ordered it form Irunguns on Boxing Day, it's been a long 5 weeks.
UPDATE: Slight change of path - I picked up a Ruger Scout today to appease my NR 308 bush gun itch, however the even better news is that I am now in the market for a NR or R AR10/alike !!
I appreciate all the replies fellas, and I will try to give out as much detail as I can :
- Budget for the build is around 3k including optics and accessories so I am hoping to keep the rifle under 2.
- My local range only goes to 100 yards however the range at my cabin goes to 500 so I would love to be able to shoot at 300+
- Looking for something with few parts, and common parts ! This is what drew me to the AR platform when I purchased my Ar15 and I fell in love.
- Ease of field stripping . . One of the reasons I have turned away from the FNAR, XCR-M and the recent FAMAE 542
Hoping you can help me narrow down a good length barrel and twist rate for those ranges as well as a decent rifle in that price range.
I have been looking more and more at the Armalite AR10-4A - Is that different from the SS ?
Will look into DPMS as I have been hearing nothing but great reviews on their Ar15s
Hoping my synopsis up top may answer a few of these questions.
!! I appreciate all the replies fellas, and I will try to give out as much detail as I can :
- Budget for the build is around 3k including optics and accessories so I am hoping to keep the rifle under 2.
- My local range only goes to 100 yards however the range at my cabin goes to 500 so I would love to be able to shoot at 300+
- Looking for something with few parts, and common parts ! This is what drew me to the AR platform when I purchased my Ar15 and I fell in love.
- Ease of field stripping . . One of the reasons I have turned away from the FNAR, XCR-M and the recent FAMAE 542
Hoping you can help me narrow down a good length barrel and twist rate for those ranges as well as a decent rifle in that price range.
I have been looking more and more at the Armalite AR10-4A - Is that different from the SS ?
Will look into DPMS as I have been hearing nothing but great reviews on their Ar15s
Hoping my synopsis up top may answer a few of these questions.
Kinda....but not really
Now I have more questions
- 100 yard range at gun club and 500 yard range at cabin - is your range at the cabin approved for restricted by your CFO? If so, you could shoot ARs there - that would make the choice a no brainer - AR all the way.
Whatever AR you choose in a .308 - look for one that accepts PMags - this is looking to be the set pattern for .308
There is a fairly decent pick of .308 ARs these days for a variety of budgets - I own an LMT MWS and an SR-25.
I would not consider a DPMSbased on my experience with their AR15 products...
If not an AR, get a NR rifle - this is where it gets tricky. It really depends on what you want from it in terms of performance - especially if you are shooting out to 500yds/m.
M305s are a really good bet - set up properly, they offer excellent value for money and you are likely to be happy with it.
Down side is they are minute of man plus at 500m. Most of the other performers in this class (RFB, XCR-M and likely the SG542) are or are going to be offering similar out-of-the-box performance.
You could look at a tarted up M1A to up the accuracy, but if you're looking to ring a 24" gong at 500, all of the above will fit the bill.
I see it turned into an AR308 thread after all.
On a week long course right now so posting time lately was limited. Lots has been covered so far. Lots of good info.
I wouldn't consider myself an AR10 guru. I was just an early adopter. It used to be only a few had the 308 version. In the last bit the 308AR market has been exploding. Which is both good and bad. Better products and more choices are the plus side. The negative is it's much harder to get those smoking deals do to popularity when previously everyone was into the AR15 so 308AR deals would sit and you could often pick up a great deal.
If you're planning on target shooting then the Armalite AR10T is a fantastic price/performance. You don't really care about weight at that point. 24" for a dedicated target rifle is my preference. But.... I do like 20" for target and more DM style rifles. Plus as the AR is restricted you aren't likely to be shooting at ranges where the extra velocity helps put bigger pills downrange further. A shorter barrel of equal contour to a longer one will have less barrel whip and could be more accurate. Everything is a compromise. You have to know what your use is going to be.
The 16" barreled 308AR. This is the equivalent to a much shorter barrel in the AR15. which means you encounter short barrel issues. The KAC was really the only choice I would have recommended in that barrel length. They designed their 16" to be carbine use friendly. Lighter, muzzle brakes, rifle or mid length gas systems, dual ejectors, rounded lugs etc all contribute to a nicer shooting carbine and a more reliable one. The LMT MWS is another option but it's heavy for carbine use and it doesn't have some of the refinement of the KAC. It is however a top grade 308AR. With a SS barrel it's a nice option. As proven in Afghanistan it works just fine.
The new GII DPMS Recon really has my interest for a carbine use/DM 308AR. Thanks to ntm for bringing this one to everyones attention. I look forward to seeing his thoughts on the Recon when his arrives. From the specs It's light, better bolt design with rounded lugs and dual extractors (Like KAC and enhanced LMT bolt). SS barrel, bead blasted, AAC 51T flash hider, 7075 upper/lower (Early DPMS was 6061 then some went to 7029). Trigger is said to be good. On paper it looks to be the first affordable 16" carbine designed 308AR. Although pricing right now ($1600 US) as it's new is likely a bit higher than it will be next year.
What type of shooting are you doing? There's no point buying a 16" lighter 308AR if you're going to be putting a big scope on it and shooting from the bench. If shooting from a bench or DM style then I like 20". You don't have to worry about shorty reliability issues and it generally shoots softer due to gas system (not carbine length gas tube) and weight.
Twist rate. Either 1:10 or 1:11.25. I personally prefer 1:11.25 for most of my 308 rifles. Works great with 168 and 175 ammo. Usually you can get exceptional accuracy with off the shelf federal gold. Which allows me to shoot the same stuff in my Remington 5R or my 308AR. That being said I have a 1:10 24" DPMS LR308 that while hating Federal Gold shoots the much faster (and expensive) 167 Lapua like a lase. For a target rifle the 1:10 let's you shoot longer pills. Keep in mind though that for reloading mag length does play a factor. Which again goes back to my liking the 1:11.25 twist. I have had excellent success with factory ammo or comparable 2.8 OAL reloads. Easy to find ammo for and reload.
Mags. The system that accepts Pmags has won. This has been known for a few years now. Although it's frequently known as the SR25 or DPMS mag system it's actually the original AR10 mag. Armalite while not the same company as then did buy the name etc. So technically it is the Armalite mag. But for the current AR10 they went to modified M14 mags to avoid issues of the Assault weapon ban in the US. I'm in the minority as I'm not a Pmag fan. They're ok. But I prefera mag I know will work in all my rifles using that system. With the AR15 ones you might need different gens for the different rifle systems. I use D&H. Works in AR15, Tavor, Type97 etc without worry.
With the 308AR DPMS/SR25 mags you have more options in mags. Mediocre DPMS, high end HK or KAC. The Pmag offers an affordable alternative that works. $40-50 for DPMS mag, $120-140 for KAC mag. So yes Pmags will be popular here. But... The AR10B system uses a gen2 mag that is below KAC in quality but not by much and is significantly better than DPMS. Mag problems were with the clunky Gen1which was just a modified M14 mag. M14 mags can be converted over to gen1 specs. A M14 mag will even work but it won't seat or hold open. You'd have to use a sling or something to hold it in place. The gen2 mags are $50. I own rifles for both systems. The new AR10A will use the new standard.
The mag system format issue does seem to have had one other benefit other than cheaper decent AR10 mags. The price of the AR10 dropped by 1K. You can puck up a target model for 2K. When I was buying my target AR308 (My first AR ever) my options were DPMS LR308 and Armalite AR10. The AR10 was 3K. The DPMS after replacing the crap trigger was 2K. Easy choice at the time. Now I'd go the AR10 over the Gen1 DPMS even with the proprietey mags. 7175 forged upper/lower and much better quality with the AR10.
On a week long course right now so posting time lately was limited. Lots has been covered so far. Lots of good info.
I wouldn't consider myself an AR10 guru. I was just an early adopter. It used to be only a few had the 308 version. In the last bit the 308AR market has been exploding. Which is both good and bad. Better products and more choices are the plus side. The negative is it's much harder to get those smoking deals do to popularity when previously everyone was into the AR15 so 308AR deals would sit and you could often pick up a great deal.
If you're planning on target shooting then the Armalite AR10T is a fantastic price/performance. You don't really care about weight at that point. 24" for a dedicated target rifle is my preference. But.... I do like 20" for target and more DM style rifles. Plus as the AR is restricted you aren't likely to be shooting at ranges where the extra velocity helps put bigger pills downrange further. A shorter barrel of equal contour to a longer one will have less barrel whip and could be more accurate. Everything is a compromise. You have to know what your use is going to be.
The 16" barreled 308AR. This is the equivalent to a much shorter barrel in the AR15. which means you encounter short barrel issues. The KAC was really the only choice I would have recommended in that barrel length. They designed their 16" to be carbine use friendly. Lighter, muzzle brakes, rifle or mid length gas systems, dual ejectors, rounded lugs etc all contribute to a nicer shooting carbine and a more reliable one. The LMT MWS is another option but it's heavy for carbine use and it doesn't have some of the refinement of the KAC. It is however a top grade 308AR. With a SS barrel it's a nice option. As proven in Afghanistan it works just fine.
The new GII DPMS Recon really has my interest for a carbine use/DM 308AR. Thanks to ntm for bringing this one to everyones attention. I look forward to seeing his thoughts on the Recon when his arrives. From the specs It's light, better bolt design with rounded lugs and dual extractors (Like KAC and enhanced LMT bolt). SS barrel, bead blasted, AAC 51T flash hider, 7075 upper/lower (Early DPMS was 6061 then some went to 7029). Trigger is said to be good. On paper it looks to be the first affordable 16" carbine designed 308AR. Although pricing right now ($1600 US) as it's new is likely a bit higher than it will be next year.
What type of shooting are you doing? There's no point buying a 16" lighter 308AR if you're going to be putting a big scope on it and shooting from the bench. If shooting from a bench or DM style then I like 20". You don't have to worry about shorty reliability issues and it generally shoots softer due to gas system (not carbine length gas tube) and weight.
Twist rate. Either 1:10 or 1:11.25. I personally prefer 1:11.25 for most of my 308 rifles. Works great with 168 and 175 ammo. Usually you can get exceptional accuracy with off the shelf federal gold. Which allows me to shoot the same stuff in my Remington 5R or my 308AR. That being said I have a 1:10 24" DPMS LR308 that while hating Federal Gold shoots the much faster (and expensive) 167 Lapua like a lase. For a target rifle the 1:10 let's you shoot longer pills. Keep in mind though that for reloading mag length does play a factor. Which again goes back to my liking the 1:11.25 twist. I have had excellent success with factory ammo or comparable 2.8 OAL reloads. Easy to find ammo for and reload.
Mags. The system that accepts Pmags has won. This has been known for a few years now. Although it's frequently known as the SR25 or DPMS mag system it's actually the original AR10 mag. Armalite while not the same company as then did buy the name etc. So technically it is the Armalite mag. But for the current AR10 they went to modified M14 mags to avoid issues of the Assault weapon ban in the US. I'm in the minority as I'm not a Pmag fan. They're ok. But I prefera mag I know will work in all my rifles using that system. With the AR15 ones you might need different gens for the different rifle systems. I use D&H. Works in AR15, Tavor, Type97 etc without worry.
With the 308AR DPMS/SR25 mags you have more options in mags. Mediocre DPMS, high end HK or KAC. The Pmag offers an affordable alternative that works. $40-50 for DPMS mag, $120-140 for KAC mag. So yes Pmags will be popular here. But... The AR10B system uses a gen2 mag that is below KAC in quality but not by much and is significantly better than DPMS. Mag problems were with the clunky Gen1which was just a modified M14 mag. M14 mags can be converted over to gen1 specs. A M14 mag will even work but it won't seat or hold open. You'd have to use a sling or something to hold it in place. The gen2 mags are $50. I own rifles for both systems. The new AR10A will use the new standard.
The mag system format issue does seem to have had one other benefit other than cheaper decent AR10 mags. The price of the AR10 dropped by 1K. You can puck up a target model for 2K. When I was buying my target AR308 (My first AR ever) my options were DPMS LR308 and Armalite AR10. The AR10 was 3K. The DPMS after replacing the crap trigger was 2K. Easy choice at the time. Now I'd go the AR10 over the Gen1 DPMS even with the proprietey mags. 7175 forged upper/lower and much better quality with the AR10.
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A couple more things on some of the brand choices.
KAC is excellent. Full ambi lower, top quality etc. They did it right for a 16" version as well. That being said the price is exceptionally high. 4-6K. I personally can't justify the cost. If you can then it's a good option. Although I have to say especially with their older stuff that they were over rated. I suspect the high cost and military use contributed to their HK margetting campaign and success. The current stuff does offer some advantages at least but you pay for it.
The LMT MWS. I've been very suspect that these guys are part of the same company as KAC. They clearly work very closely and their products seem to only minimally compete with each other. LMT comes with KAC mag and uses the same lower other than missing the ambi bolt release. Yes KAC and LMT upper/lower are interchangable. I love the monolithic upper and pretty much everything about this rifle. When I bought mine they were a fantastic deal. I bought mine NIB off the EE with both the 16" and Mike Rock 20" 5R 1:11.25 barrel. It was a deal I couldn't pass up. The gen1 rifles have billet upper while the newest ones are forged. The billet looks nicer. The new ones also have a bolt with dual extractors (See previous remarks regarding 16" reliability). These rifles are quality and come out of the box ready to go. However the current price is pretty high on them. I wouldn't own one except for that deal on the EE which seemed to be waiting for me.
Armalite AR10. See mags above. These things are war work horses. They are no frillls built like tank AR rifles. 7175 forged upper/lower. The bolt looks like a big AR15 bolt. In comparison the Gen1 DPMS bolt looks like a toy. Even the LMT gen1 bolt which is a lot nicer than the DPMS doesn't look as solid built as the AR10. No ambi or anything fancy. But they shoot and are tough. With the Gen2 mags I have no concern regarding reliability. The SS barreled versions are often Walther-Lother tripple lapped ceramic coated. The trigger is a decent two stage NM. Although there are better it works fairly well and I like the design. Anyone that's removed or installed one knows what I'm talking about.
The Armalite is the best deal. I currently own three of these rifles. Two are DND versions (What our guys used in Afghanistan) and a recently completed Super SASS (Thanks to fireball for assembling my upper and helping get parts). While you don't get ambi controls or fancy rail systems you do get a rifle that will shoot with the best, is tough and affordable for a 308AR.
The three I just mentioned all had militaries fielding their models in Afghanistan. They are up to military use.
The DPMS. My LR308 was bought as a dedicated target rifle. It uses the current mag winner and was at a good price point. But it's comercial/hobby grade. Upper/lower wiggle a crap trigger that I replaced with a tuned RRA NM. Even the bolt release screams hobby. You can't palm it as they recessed it. When changing out the grip you'll have to use the screw as the magpul ones won't work unlike on the less hobby guns. Finish was decent, it looks cool and more importantly it shoots. But it's definately the lesser built rifle. Again as a dedicated target rifle it doesn't matter but should be noted.
The new Gen2 has my interest though. Especially for the 16" Recon carbine. The bolt redesign looks very good, the weight savings are very good and it comes with some nice options. It looks like DPMS has really been improving lately. Previously they were the lowest priced and lower quality. It should be noted that AR308 rifles seem to be built better and nicer with most companies as they are the flag ship. This is the same with DPMS. Also one of the reasons I'm very tempted to give them a try is that they are owned by the Freedom group now. Remington and Bushmaster are part of this. R25 was a DPMS. My thoughts are they have the resources and sales to build this newest DPMS to a good quality level. The redesign shows a lot of thought and effort. I'llne keeping a look out for this one.
I haven't mentioned piston rifles. They like in the AR15 world have advantages but also have the same disadvatages. With the cost of these rifles, the extra weight and cost of ammo I prefer them to be accurate. The accuracy potential for a DI rifle is sulerior with everything else being equal. I have no plans of shooting Norinco crap ammo or any other surplus at high volume in a 2K plus firearm. Reliability with DI for the type of shooting I'm doing isn't an issue.
There are a number of very nice piston rifles out there. HK, SIG etc that might be worth checking out if you want a piston rifle.
KAC is excellent. Full ambi lower, top quality etc. They did it right for a 16" version as well. That being said the price is exceptionally high. 4-6K. I personally can't justify the cost. If you can then it's a good option. Although I have to say especially with their older stuff that they were over rated. I suspect the high cost and military use contributed to their HK margetting campaign and success. The current stuff does offer some advantages at least but you pay for it.
The LMT MWS. I've been very suspect that these guys are part of the same company as KAC. They clearly work very closely and their products seem to only minimally compete with each other. LMT comes with KAC mag and uses the same lower other than missing the ambi bolt release. Yes KAC and LMT upper/lower are interchangable. I love the monolithic upper and pretty much everything about this rifle. When I bought mine they were a fantastic deal. I bought mine NIB off the EE with both the 16" and Mike Rock 20" 5R 1:11.25 barrel. It was a deal I couldn't pass up. The gen1 rifles have billet upper while the newest ones are forged. The billet looks nicer. The new ones also have a bolt with dual extractors (See previous remarks regarding 16" reliability). These rifles are quality and come out of the box ready to go. However the current price is pretty high on them. I wouldn't own one except for that deal on the EE which seemed to be waiting for me.
Armalite AR10. See mags above. These things are war work horses. They are no frillls built like tank AR rifles. 7175 forged upper/lower. The bolt looks like a big AR15 bolt. In comparison the Gen1 DPMS bolt looks like a toy. Even the LMT gen1 bolt which is a lot nicer than the DPMS doesn't look as solid built as the AR10. No ambi or anything fancy. But they shoot and are tough. With the Gen2 mags I have no concern regarding reliability. The SS barreled versions are often Walther-Lother tripple lapped ceramic coated. The trigger is a decent two stage NM. Although there are better it works fairly well and I like the design. Anyone that's removed or installed one knows what I'm talking about.
The Armalite is the best deal. I currently own three of these rifles. Two are DND versions (What our guys used in Afghanistan) and a recently completed Super SASS (Thanks to fireball for assembling my upper and helping get parts). While you don't get ambi controls or fancy rail systems you do get a rifle that will shoot with the best, is tough and affordable for a 308AR.
The three I just mentioned all had militaries fielding their models in Afghanistan. They are up to military use.
The DPMS. My LR308 was bought as a dedicated target rifle. It uses the current mag winner and was at a good price point. But it's comercial/hobby grade. Upper/lower wiggle a crap trigger that I replaced with a tuned RRA NM. Even the bolt release screams hobby. You can't palm it as they recessed it. When changing out the grip you'll have to use the screw as the magpul ones won't work unlike on the less hobby guns. Finish was decent, it looks cool and more importantly it shoots. But it's definately the lesser built rifle. Again as a dedicated target rifle it doesn't matter but should be noted.
The new Gen2 has my interest though. Especially for the 16" Recon carbine. The bolt redesign looks very good, the weight savings are very good and it comes with some nice options. It looks like DPMS has really been improving lately. Previously they were the lowest priced and lower quality. It should be noted that AR308 rifles seem to be built better and nicer with most companies as they are the flag ship. This is the same with DPMS. Also one of the reasons I'm very tempted to give them a try is that they are owned by the Freedom group now. Remington and Bushmaster are part of this. R25 was a DPMS. My thoughts are they have the resources and sales to build this newest DPMS to a good quality level. The redesign shows a lot of thought and effort. I'llne keeping a look out for this one.
I haven't mentioned piston rifles. They like in the AR15 world have advantages but also have the same disadvatages. With the cost of these rifles, the extra weight and cost of ammo I prefer them to be accurate. The accuracy potential for a DI rifle is sulerior with everything else being equal. I have no plans of shooting Norinco crap ammo or any other surplus at high volume in a 2K plus firearm. Reliability with DI for the type of shooting I'm doing isn't an issue.
There are a number of very nice piston rifles out there. HK, SIG etc that might be worth checking out if you want a piston rifle.
Lol @ freedom group. That is on my list as one of the reasons to avoid it.
That and the fact there is enough history to warrant steering clear of recent and current DPMS kit - though it's good to see people offering up their hard earned to be guinea pigs.
If it's the base for all their 308AR rifles then they have a lot more money to put towards it. This caught most of us off guard. The specs look good. We will see. But looking at the REPRE offering they have been slowly making a fairly decent product.
I guess we will see. I'm not brand loyal. If they make a good product then excellent. If not well I guess we will find out. I make no bones about the past DPMS not being up to specs for anything other than a hobby/target rifle.
What do you consider accurate?
Setting up the RFB for hunting, these were the last rounds of the day after the scope and gas system was dialed in:
100yds shooting 180gr factory loaded nosler partitions
(excuse the crappy cell phone pic)
Hey Arod you and I are very much alike as I've been waiting to buy a Ruger Gunsite Scout just to get me buy until I can afford an AR10. Please let us know how the accuracy is with yours, as that was the only thing holding me back. I wouldn't expect anything close to MOA or even 2"MOA, but I'd like to be proven wrong. If I was wanting to hunt and reach out down range then I suppose the FNAR would be my choice, but I'm willing to have a range only toy for the sake of how much I think I will enjoy owning an AR10 by Armalite. I was surprised you mentioned the XCR when speaking of field stripping I thought they were quite simple in that matter? Well best of luck with your AR10 choice.
Thanks for all the great info. Epoxy, after reading many of your posts over the past year I take note when you speak or AR10's. With your latest 308AR info. offerings I now know for sure what will be my first AR10 purchase. I've always wanted to buy an Armalite AR10 and I'm happy with what you've stated are their strong points. I will be leaning strongly towards the 16" SS version with full rails and retractable stock when it comes time to buy. Again thanks for your words of wisdom.
Thanks for all the great info. Epoxy, after reading many of your posts over the past year I take note when you speak or AR10's. With your latest 308AR info. offerings I now know for sure what will be my first AR10 purchase. I've always wanted to buy an Armalite AR10 and I'm happy with what you've stated are their strong points. I will be leaning strongly towards the 16" SS version with full rails and retractable stock when it comes time to buy. Again thanks for your words of wisdom.
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Wow, Epoxy… Can't thank you enough for all the information you have shared. Good to see members still taking the time out of their days to help each other out. gene though I'm sure you've had to tell many people the same things already. Very much appreciated !
Upon reading through your posts ( multiple times ) I am leaning heavily towards the Armalite 20" in likely a 1:10 with SS barrel. - I was biased to this model already and your write has only improved my confidence. I cannot justify $4k+( KAC / LMT ) for a range gun as I would rather put that into a precision bolt gun. I do plan to put some late glass on this rifle as the intentions of the 308 were to surpass the shooting I currently do with my Ar15.
You do have me curious about the gen2 DPMS with its improvements so I will be sure to check that out before jumping to any conclusions. I am not one for extra frills on a firearm. Ambi controls don't interest me - Im a meat and potatoes guy who likes simplicity, quality and reliability.
As far as the mag situation goes, upon reading your write up, I believe I am safe to assume that the armalite system will accept Pmags ? ( SR25 / DPMS )
Thank you again !
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Zeroed, I will be sure to give a range review once I get the time - That was my only concern as well, however i bought this as a bush gun so I am only worried about targets within 100 yards - hoping to see 1.5 MOA but will live with 2.
Currently looking for a new rail system that will allow me to run a scope closer to the action yet still leave room for a permanent rear iron sight.
A poor design aspect that I wish I had noticed sooner is that the rear iron sight is mounted on the rear scope ring saddle. This means you either run the stope about 12-14" away from your eye ( on the factory rail ) or remove the rear iron sight. Neither or which I am fond of…
I have found a full length rail system that I will likely purchase but still exploring my options at this time.
Upon reading through your posts ( multiple times ) I am leaning heavily towards the Armalite 20" in likely a 1:10 with SS barrel. - I was biased to this model already and your write has only improved my confidence. I cannot justify $4k+( KAC / LMT ) for a range gun as I would rather put that into a precision bolt gun. I do plan to put some late glass on this rifle as the intentions of the 308 were to surpass the shooting I currently do with my Ar15.
You do have me curious about the gen2 DPMS with its improvements so I will be sure to check that out before jumping to any conclusions. I am not one for extra frills on a firearm. Ambi controls don't interest me - Im a meat and potatoes guy who likes simplicity, quality and reliability.
As far as the mag situation goes, upon reading your write up, I believe I am safe to assume that the armalite system will accept Pmags ? ( SR25 / DPMS )
Thank you again !
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Zeroed, I will be sure to give a range review once I get the time - That was my only concern as well, however i bought this as a bush gun so I am only worried about targets within 100 yards - hoping to see 1.5 MOA but will live with 2.
Currently looking for a new rail system that will allow me to run a scope closer to the action yet still leave room for a permanent rear iron sight.
A poor design aspect that I wish I had noticed sooner is that the rear iron sight is mounted on the rear scope ring saddle. This means you either run the stope about 12-14" away from your eye ( on the factory rail ) or remove the rear iron sight. Neither or which I am fond of…
I have found a full length rail system that I will likely purchase but still exploring my options at this time.
