200 Yard Savage BTVS 22lr, CCI Stingers first attempt

What's the scope?
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Weaver 3-9x30 that came off a savage 308 16 ITH.

Yes that is EOSC and in the last few years it is busy on the weekends and slower during the week. You DO NOTneed to volunteer time. They have clean-up parties 4-5 times a year that make it easy to get your 8. During the week in the afternoon there could be 4-10 people there depending on the weather. I usually go once or twice a week, a weekend and a week day. Easy to find somewhere to shoot.

I'll try some SV ones next time. Thanks for the advice guys....now to find some more ammo....
 
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SKScanuck said:
Yes that is EOSC and in the last few years it is busy on the weekends and slower during the week. You need 8 hours of volunteer time per year. They have clean-up parties 4-5 times a year that make it easy to get your 8.
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You should go to the AGM, or check the website. Those rules have changed.
 
Eagleye said:
With a truly accurate 22 rifle, and quality ammo, decent groups are possible on a quiet day.
Wind is your nemesis with the lowly 22 rimfire, so you have to watch that factor.

If it is below freezing out, the ammo may present a problem...I have always had the best results
with ammo designed for cold weather use. [Lapua Polar Biathlon, for example.]

However, anyone who thinks a 22 rimfire is too inconsistent for use at 200 yards, has not shot a lot of 22.

I expect [and get] 5-shot groups under 1" at 200 yards regularly enough that gophers are in serious trouble out there.

Couple of groups posted to show the possibilities. [The squares are ½"]

Regards, Dave.


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That Sir, is an example of fine marksmanship.
 
Eagleye said:
With a truly accurate 22 rifle, and quality ammo, decent groups are possible on a quiet day.
Wind is your nemesis with the lowly 22 rimfire, so you have to watch that factor.

If it is below freezing out, the ammo may present a problem...I have always had the best results
with ammo designed for cold weather use. [Lapua Polar Biathlon, for example.]

However, anyone who thinks a 22 rimfire is too inconsistent for use at 200 yards, has not shot a lot of 22.

I expect [and get] 5-shot groups under 1" at 200 yards regularly enough that gophers are in serious trouble out there.

Couple of groups posted to show the possibilities. [The squares are ½"]

Regards, Dave.


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Impressive Eagleye.
 
SKScanuck said:
Thanks for the complete update on the rules..... :p

I could not attend the AGM, thank you, I had previous commitments.

I am not aware of, but that does not mean there has not be changes to the volunteer hours. I checked our website and could not find any reference to a change but then again, I could not find the reference that used to be there about the volunteer hours. If you could point me to where the change is listed on the EOSC website then I will correct my transgressions....till then fine sir, I refuse to believe you as I always seek at least two different sources of information before I believe anything off the internet.
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You can find the minutes here. https://www.eosc.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=500

PS: We are now allowed to open carry our handguns between ranges. :)
 
I'm looking to some fun low key days at the range with my 22 at 200 over the next while. But I think I'll wait for somewhat more kindly conditions than you chose. Really? Can it get much worse than what you had? :D

On your initial drop calculations. Was there any sort of input for air density due to the temperature? If not then I suspect that is the reason for your added drop over the estimated figure. Then there's the "snow flake coefficient". How many snow flakes did you clobber on the way to the target? I think we need a SF compensatory input for the drop calculator... :D

Anyway, good on you for not letting the weather keep you down. But I think I'll wait for spring if it's all the same... :D
 
In playing around with isnipe (ballistics program), I found something interesting. When comparing high velocity to standard velocity 22 ammo, the standard velocity suffers less wind drift at long range. Somehow the supersonic 22 bullet suffers more wind drift (in the relatively short distance it travels supersonic).

So keeping that in mind, if you've got the adjustment in your scope, standard velocity target ammo might be the better choice for long range 22 shooting.
 
Don't supersonic bullets passing the sound barrier, and then when they slow down to below the sound barrier, suffer some instability?
 
Nice groups on the targets from Eagleye. Without seeing the whole target it's hard to determine how far off the poa is from poi. Maybe the gopher lives on to eat some more of the farmer's crop. A group of five misses does not equal accuracy in my book. Spoiling the aiming point doesn't wash at 200. Don't take it the wrong way. 200 yrds, aim, shoot, dead gopher? In the real world you'll be walking the shots up to it, if the bugger moves around a bit, he may get hit by a stray bullet.
 
metalbender said:
Nice groups on the targets from Eagleye. Without seeing the whole target it's hard to determine how far off the poa is from poi. Maybe the gopher lives on to eat some more of the farmer's crop. A group of five misses does not equal accuracy in my book. Spoiling the aiming point doesn't wash at 200. Don't take it the wrong way. 200 yrds, aim, shoot, dead gopher? In the real world you'll be walking the shots up to it, if the bugger moves around a bit, he may get hit by a stray bullet.
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Anyone who can shoot like that would likely know where the bullet is going to hit at a given distance. You don't just luck into that kind of accuracy with out lots of practice.
 
Well I made it back out....-4 and 15-19KM winds...look at the flag...pretty well horizontal....

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The range, about 10 clays ont he 100 berm and 2 at the 200.

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The gun.

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I used Winchester M22 40 grain bullets this time. Sighted them in at 100, had to raise the POI 4". The wind appeared to be pushing them to the right about 3-4" depending on the gust and then not at all between gusts...


I could hit the clays every 3 out of 5 shots and it took about 5-7 to completely break them up.
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The 200 yard clays...not even touched for the first hour...

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About an hour and 25 bullets later, I can see where they are hitting and finally get them. About 1 hit for every 7 shots. Got them both 2-3 times before they rolled down.

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A 10 (yes 10) yard group with the winchesters. I'd like to say I pulled one of the 5....(at least give me that)

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So I will stick with the Winchesters and demolish the 240 clays I have left in the upcoming days :)
 
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check your scope for cant, either the way it is mounted or the rifle in the bags, the farther out you shoot the more your group will move right or left of your POA if your crosshair is not dead nuts inline with your bore.........albeit you are shooting in the wind so it could be one or the other and or both......but this is where you find out just how important it is........

the easiest way to do this with minimal expense is a shoe lace and a washer..........tie the washer to the end of a shoelace, hand the shoelace off a target stand at 20-30 yards away, level your rifle in the bags and then look through the scope and see if your crosshair is perpendicular to the shoestring, if not then correct it........for greater repeatability between days and ranges invest in a scope level or rifle level, you will always have it there to reference while you are shooting.......canting a rimfire rifle is the best way to see accuracy go south fast, your bullet drop at 100 yards is enough that if you cant the rifle 15 degrees of level to the right and left and take a 2 shots they could be as far away as 8 inches from one another.........try it sometime.........
 
Good to see you can get out to unleash terror on some clays. Have to give you credit for going out. Still -23 here so I only shoot at indoor range. The difference between shooting at a 100 and out to 200 is pretty crazy. Throw in a little sidewind and you're just lobbing bullets in the direction. I will stand by my opinion about the consistant 200 yrd gopher snipers being bs. Have done quite a bit of reading at Rimfire central, guys have posted some impressive results at 200. With a gun properly set up with a + 20 moa rail and enough elevation dialed into the scope it is possible, given a calm day. Out here in the windy prairies with a gun zeroed at 50, those 200 yrd shots ain't gonna happen. Maybe some sub sonic ammo will give more consistent performance. Keep the reports coming, it's good to hear about real world shooting.
 
metalbender said:
Nice groups on the targets from Eagleye. Without seeing the whole target it's hard to determine how far off the poa is from poi. Maybe the gopher lives on to eat some more of the farmer's crop. A group of five misses does not equal accuracy in my book. Spoiling the aiming point doesn't wash at 200. Don't take it the wrong way. 200 yrds, aim, shoot, dead gopher? In the real world you'll be walking the shots up to it, if the bugger moves around a bit, he may get hit by a stray bullet.
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Neither of the groups is at Point of aim, but that is simply a matter of scope adjustment, or wind compensation.
First, one must be consistent, then he can worry about hitting a specific point of aim.

I have shot a large number of Columbian Ground Squirrels at 200 yards [+-10], because I knew where my rifle was shooting, and it is consistent.
You can call BS if you want, but I have many witnesses to back up my claim. Sure, I miss some, but generally the hits are better than 70%,
which is pretty consistent at that range with a 22LR

For the benefit of a couple of others who posted here....for long range, always choose standard velocity ammo over the HV stuff.
If you can afford it, try some of the better quality target ammo......it may really surprise you!

Regards, Dave.
 
Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback.

I actually did a yee-haw when I hit the first clay at 200.

Fun and inexpensive, $17 or so for 250 clays, $40 for 500 rounds of ammo and I have yet to make a dent in them.

If I do find some target ammo I will give it a go.

Cheers
 
Given the wind conditions I'd say you did really well. It's one thing to sight in at that distance and range the scope. But to deal with that sort of nasty wind at the same time? Yep, I'd say you did just fine.

Now go find a calmer day and try it again. This time you can sight in the scope and actually group at the distance when the wind isn't scattering them.

And kudos for at least getting out in the cold and white stuff. When I lived back there I took up cross country skiing out of boredom. Wish I'd gone with your method for beating the winter doldrums.... :D
 
I don't think the cant is off on my scope. Reason being I looked back at my first targets and then the recent ones. I was hitting to the right the first day and to the left most recently. Both are consistent with the wind either day.
 
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