First time buyer medium to big game rifle?

Savage makes a fine rifle for the money, it is nice that you can use and abuse them. People either love them or hate them. One thing to consider with Savage rifles is that they do not hold their value too good, most I've seen on EE are on there for a long time even if it is a good deal.

The Vanguard is not much more and it is supposed to be the best bang for your buck.

Perhaps because some people on the EE think their used rifle magically gains value over the price of a new one.

The problem is everyone thinks every Savage rifle that gets listed on the EE is a stripped down "package rifle" when they are far from it. Perfect example is the older Model 111FCNS I have listed. I'm getting $300 offers for a like new rifle (only 20 shots thru it) when it actually cost over $700 and the reasoning is "I can get the same rifle with a scope for $450 NIB!" Well no you can't...but you can get the same basic action and barrel with a cheap bead blasted finish, very cheap plastic stock and cheap mostly plastic mag. If you want a NIB 111FCNS with polished blue finish, pillar bedded synthetic stock and an all steel mag you'll have to pay the price.

Either way, if the OP wants a Savage he should get one because bang for your buck they are quite possibly the best rifle to buy! Not too many Savage rifle sold that will not shoot MOA or better with one or more loads you put thru them. They aren't pretty rifles but they'll give rifles that cost 5 times as much a good run for their money when it comes to consistent accuracy!
 
Yea it's a lot to take in and getting lots of advise both ways. Maybe to clarify not first time shooter just first time owner. So I'm not to worried about the kick. Just trying to make the best decision for long term. I'm leaning towards the 300 for the faster shot longer range and flatter trajectory as I've been told. Lots of prairies so may use the extra range more often than not. Reading everyone's posts and appreciate all of them but I'm no closer to making a firm decision lol. And I still have not gotten access to the EE so looking at new right now.

Browning xbolt 30-06 with a 3-9 scope for about 1100 (rifle 800 scope 300)
Savage 11/111 300wm hunter with 3-9 scope for 500 (package deal)

The price difference is quite large. Obviously the scope is better on the 30-06 but would be able to take the scope of the 300 and put on my 22 and have more money for better scope for the 300

My thoughts so far
 
Don't get drawn in by the appeal of packages....The scopes and rings are garbage.Your better off buying a bare rifle,a good set of ring and a decent scope.If you eeally have your heart set on a .300 mag,don't go with a light weight rifle because the recoil will be offensive in a light weight platform.Not a magnum fan by any means but,if i was going for one based on reach and a broad range of game to pursue,i'd seriously consider a 7mm rm.
 
Yea it's a lot to take in and getting lots of advise both ways. Maybe to clarify not first time shooter just first time owner. So I'm not to worried about the kick. Just trying to make the best decision for long term. I'm leaning towards the 300 for the faster shot longer range and flatter trajectory as I've been told. Lots of prairies so may use the extra range more often than not. Reading everyone's posts and appreciate all of them but I'm no closer to making a firm decision lol. And I still have not gotten access to the EE so looking at new right now.

Browning xbolt 30-06 with a 3-9 scope for about 1100 (rifle 800 scope 300)
Savage 11/111 300wm hunter with 3-9 scope for 500 (package deal)

The price difference is quite large. Obviously the scope is better on the 30-06 but would be able to take the scope of the 300 and put on my 22 and have more money for better scope for the 300

My thoughts so far

As I mentioned Nechako has a good sale on now:
Vanguard S2 in .270 or 7mm RM for $509.99
X-Bolt 3D Shot Show Special in .30-06 for $739.99

You may not be worried about the kick, but shooting 20 rounds through a .300 WM vs a .270 Win is a big difference. The difference in trajectory between the two at normal hunting range is, for all practical purposes, of no consequence (the .270 will launch the 130gr bullet as fast, or a bit faster than the .300 WM will do with the 180gr bullet). As for medium to big game hunting, I suspect the vast majority of your hunting will be for deer with the odd moose or elk thrown in. My hunting partner's father has used a .270 almost exclusively for decades to shoot moose, elk, sheep and deer. He has only recently started using a .280 because his .270's barrel has pretty much had the biscuit.
 
I was looking at a browning x bolt 30-06 Price tag is up there, then was looking at a MODEL 11/111 HUNTER XP
Savage Arms 300 win mag. On the fence any and all input is greatly appreciated!!!

P.S. Hope i posting in acceptable place!

I hunt with an X-bolt 30-06 and love it! Mind you its not the only "big game" rifle I've shot but it is the only one I've ever taken hunting. I don't mind putting extra money into my hunting set up, in the end it puts food on my table. I tried out some Savages (I shoot a Savage for Coyotes), and a few others and finally decided on the X-bolt. I don't mind the other rifles I just liked the way the X-bolt felt and shot in my hands. I went synthetic (which is something I hardly ever do), because I know hunting rifles can take a beating. The synthetic feel of a Browning as opposed to a synthetic Savage is very different I find and even my Savage shooting friends prefer it.

On the other hand, both the guys I hunt with shoot Savages and they stand by them as well. Find someone that owns the rifles your looking at, get a feel for them. It's not a question of cost in my eyes it all comes down to personal preference.
 
I was looking at a browning x bolt 30-06 Price tag is up there, then was looking at a MODEL 11/111 HUNTER XP
Savage Arms 300 win mag. On the fence any and all input is greatly appreciated!!!

P.S. Hope i posting in acceptable place!

I would skip the 11/111, but that's just me. The rifle felt off to me, just didn't like it. But you have to buy something that feels right to you.

Yeah look all the following mentioned Rifles are in a Similar class - Good solid shooting rifles Priced in the middle of the road.

Ruger Hawkeyes
Browning Abolts
Remington 700 -sps 'budget model'
Savage 11
Tikka T3
Winchester Model 70
Browning BLR

missed a few but ya get the idea.... down here all around the 1g mark, no doubt a lot cheaper in your neck of the woods.. ALL good rifles for 'beginners' or the Hunter who gets out there an does it.

Next step up is the Model 75 Sakos, 85s etc $$


30-06 an 300 wm quite a difference IMO, The 06 is more user friendly and the Winmag is suitable for a more experienced hunter looking for Range an Big Game animals. the 06 will do it just not so far out.

anyway, good luck

WL

This list is missing the Weatherby Vanguard S2

Weatherby vanguard is a great option too. Can be had around the $500-$600 mark for a blued synthetic. I see used ones come up on the EE fairly often. Handle as many as you can and go with the one you like best.

Highly impressed with the one i bought for last season's hunt. ~$550 for the rifle+ ~$200-$300 for a scope + ~$60 for rings, and you're laughing.

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the thread, so i'm going to assume it. If this is your first big game rifle, and you haven't fired anything as large as a 30-06 or 300WinMag before, i would hesitate to jump at buying the .300. There's quite a bit more punch to a .300 than a .243 or a .308 and even a .270. The last thing you want is to develop a flinch because the first few times you fired it you weren't expecting the recoil and it bounces off your shoulder or the scope bites you. A .308 will knock over any north american game, as will a .30-06. Mind you a .30-06 recoil is not much less than a .300, but still noticeable.

I've let my brother, brother in law, and my dad all shoot my .300. None of them have fired anything bigger than a .308, and they've all had the same reaction. Boom, pause, laughter, shoulder rubbing.
 
Don't get drawn in by the appeal of packages....The scopes and rings are garbage.Your better off buying a bare rifle,a good set of ring and a decent scope.If you eeally have your heart set on a .300 mag,don't go with a light weight rifle because the recoil will be offensive in a light weight platform.Not a magnum fan by any means but,if i was going for one based on reach and a broad range of game to pursue,i'd seriously consider a 7mm rm.

Absolutely, the package deals come with a bottom of the barrel bushnell that is good for a .22, and barely that. Buy a higher quality firearm and put a good scope on it, you'll be much happier.

I put a Redfield Revenge 3-9x40 on my Weatherby and it's been fantastic. It's taken the recoil of the rifle like a champ, i haven't had to touch it since i zero'd it over 100 rounds ago.
 
style, looks, set-up, stock style, barrel dimensions all come into play when one spends a bit of time comparing various production models from different companies. I've used them all and see fit and function in all of them. When one is starting out a 30-06 seems like a lot of gun. It can do most everything for deer, moose, caribou and elk. In my experience I've put some big holes in whitetail with a 30-06 and have since moved down to a smaller caliber for White tail. Surprisingly I have two identical rifles and one is 270 and the other is 30-06. I didn't expect a difference in recoil but the 270 is noticeably milder in recoil. Just food for thought on those two rifles. Now as far a obtaining a new rifle. I would go Browning, Tikka, Ruger, Winchester, Savage and Remington in that order. Yet others may go in a completely different order. I prefer a rifle that isn't too light for the caliber; and if it's available I would also prefer a longer barrel over a shorter one. When one gets into the 30-06 and up a decent recoil pad is a good option. Good rings and a decent scope. I've used the 30-06 out to about 400 yards but would rather move up to something with more reach at that distance. Something like a 300 WSM, or 300 Win MAG. There have been some suggestions for used firearms and that is a good option too. Depends on what you think you can afford. If this is your first higher caliber rifle - don't be too reluctant in looking at a smaller caliber. It's really about feeling comfortable with the recoil because this is what will make you a good shooter. It can be helpful to look at recoil tables and ballistic tables. You may find that your all purpose rig could end up being a 270 WSM.
 
I have the savage 11/111 in 30-06, I have no complaints. I really wanted a browning too but the 111 is fine and for the price you would have a bit more to upgrade your scope.
 
Think that's what I'm going to do. Get home in a week I'll see which feels better. I spent some time comparing ballistics and costs today. For the stats both are great. Only place I seen the 300 out doing the 30-06 was after 400 yards. So I think either would be a great choice. I'm not going to bother with the savage as I found a smoking deal on the browning xbolt with a good scope (new to boot)
 
I think you mean the 30-06 just keeps up until 400yards.. :)

WL
Ballistic chard showed the the 30-06 dropped only 10 inches at 500 yards more than the 300. They were pretty much equal to the 400 yd point in velocity, and drop in trajectory. Big difference was at 500. Was really nice to find a good ballistics chart
 
Ballistic chard showed the the 30-06 dropped only 10 inches at 500 yards more than the 300. They were pretty much equal to the 400 yd point in velocity, and drop in trajectory. Big difference was at 500. Was really nice to find a good ballistics chart

As I alluded to in my earlier posts, while the data available is a great tool to gain understanding of a particular cartridge, in many cases, they are not quite realistic when compared to actual use. There are so many variables to compare and the bottom line is that these charts are mathematically derived. Reality chck - poking a big game animal out to 400 yards seems great to a novice or to someone whom has never shot before, but actually accomplishing such a feat with adequate practice is quite another. When you get your 30-06, buy ammo, some of the cheap stuff too, and shoot, shoot, shoot. Get used to the rifle, try different ranges and experiment with different brands.

Trust me, you'll love it! I have owned the trusty 30-06 for more than 40 years now.
 
Ballistic chard showed the the 30-06 dropped only 10 inches at 500 yards more than the 300. They were pretty much equal to the 400 yd point in velocity, and drop in trajectory. Big difference was at 500. Was really nice to find a good ballistics chart

Don't believe everything you read, the 300 is significantly better all the way out, trajectory is only one small part of actually hitting something beyond 200 mtrs. Time of flight is another big factor which is what allows the wind and other things to affect your bullets flight, then there is mirage, optical illusions, animal movement, and a great many other things that can and will go wrong. The 300 WM is a good 300 fps better than an 06 with any bullet weight, so don't believe all the books and charts. If you really want some great shooting experience, join a club that shoots high power and rimfire silhouette. You will learn volumes about long range shooting out to 500 mtrs. ACTUAL trajectories, mirage, energy on target, time of flight, temp variances and how to dope the wind.
One rule that I have learned, hunting all over the world in a hundred different climates and altitudes is that velocity is your friend...........there is no downside to more velocity, except perhaps meat destruction, which is usually of little concern to me as I can't bring the meat home anyway. With the bullet construction today there is no reason not to go faster, and faster, and faster when possible. Oh ya, recoil does go up as well but you can condition yourself to accept any level of recoil up to 50-60 ft/lbs quite easily. I may be alone in my thinking but I will readily give up 1/2 moa of accuracy to gain 200 fps, or even 100 fps. For hunting I don't need my sporter weight rifles to shoot 1/2 moa, 1 moa is more than adequate for taking game out to 750 mtrs easily. If you really think about it 1 moa means under perfect conditions with the range known and your rifle sighted correctly, you should theoretically be able to hit a moose in the heart, first shot at 750 mtrs. How could anyone possibly need greater accuracy than that, for hunting.
Having said all that, if you are going to be the average local hunting kind of guy that will likely never shoot more than a 100-200 rounds a year and likely won't be shooting at game beyond 250-300 mtrs, any CF cartridge from the 25-06 to the 30-06 will fill your needs more than adequately. If you are recoil sensitive then drop back to a 270 or 25-06 or 6.5X55 with good bullets and the game will never know the difference. Sight your rifle in to hit dead centre at 200 mtrs and you can hold the same place out to nearly 300 mtrs.......which is a long shot on game, regardless of what you may hear or read!!!! The difficulty level of cleanly hitting game beyond 300 mtrs goes up exponentially, not linear, 400 mtrs in the field on game is a very difficult shot unless all the stars are aligned right and the Gods are smiling on you, and you have done your due diligence with practice and know your rifle, cartridge and load intimately.

Having had access to a range with targets out to 635 mtrs (15 mins from my door) for the past 35 years of my life has been the greatest asset to my shooting ability ever. It is the one thing (besides a few friends) that I am truly going to miss about the Yukon. The knowledge gained by having that ability to go anytime and play right out to 600+ mtrs is unmeasurable and I have told the guys in the club there as much. A lot of places are hard pressed to get 200 mtrs, and even then you they may have to travel for an hour or more. Now I'll be lucky if I can get 150 mtrs on my property safely to shoot and the nearest range is an hour away and only has 2 or 300 mtrs. I will miss the Whitehorse Rifle and Pistol Club and the range we built very much I'm afraid !!!

However it is +4 degrees here and -30 in Whitehorse, so.........................
 
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