Mountain Rifle with Grizzly capability..your thoughts?

Perhaps if people are that concerned, staying home is the best option...................Messageboards have created this Rambo like mentality combined with a healthy dose of bearanoia and it's going to get someone hurt. We'd all like to believe that we could stop a charging bear in his tracks but the fact is that very few could and most are much better off throwing a wall of capsasin out there and very likely diffusing the attack rather than escalating it with a poor shot but that macho gene prevents many from admitting they are fallible. Vive Rambo!
 
sheephunter said:
Perhaps if people are that concerned, staying home is the best option...................Messageboards have created this Rambo like mentality combined with a healthy dose of bearanoia and it's going to get someone hurt. We'd all like to believe that we could stop a charging bear in his tracks but the fact is that very few could and most are much better off throwing a wall of capsasin out there and very likely diffusing the attack rather than escalating it with a poor shot but that macho gene prevents many from admitting they are fallible. Vive Rambo!
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That's right everyone stay in your house and leave the outdoors and hunting to the TV guys. They know far more than you, just watch their edited footage. TV guy says he uses spray so you should too because if he can't stop an attack with a gun how could you, you're not on TV. Besides, bear attacks are an internet problem and anyone who has a different opinion is an Rambo wannabe.
 
sheephunter said:
Perhaps if people are that concerned, staying home is the best option...................Messageboards have created this Rambo like mentality combined with a healthy dose of bearanoia and it's going to get someone hurt. We'd all like to believe that we could stop a charging bear in his tracks but the fact is that very few could and most are much better off throwing a wall of capsasin out there and very likely diffusing the attack rather than escalating it with a poor shot but that macho gene prevents many from admitting they are fallible. Vive Rambo!
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A hunter is bringing his rifle anyway, so spending a bit of time thinking about its possible even if unlikely use doesn't hurt anything.
 
you know TJ you re not the only one spending time in Grizzly country there is even a few living amongst them ... I never learnt a bear behavior in a book i'm not Rambo or whatever you call ... im very cold blooded but seems you want to impress your readers and maybe it s working better in hunting magazines that here or even on another forum where you don't teach them the bear spray thing ....

im telling you from fact not from a book that is not recommended over here (Yukon is a grizzly country) but here we can still hunt them so the behavior of a grizzly is depending on that matter too ....
 
medvedqc said:
you know TJ you re not the only one spending time in Grizzly country there is even a few living amongst them ... ....
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I never indicated anything to the contrary and I'm not out to impress anyone...I'm just hoping to offer a little information that may save someone's life. I've spent plenty of time in the Yukon. I've hunted grizz there and I've guided grizz there. Bears are bears. Bear spray is still you best chance of survival in a chance encounter that goes wrong.
 
sheephunter said:
The bearnoia of inexperienced mountain hunters isn't too surprising but at the end of the day, your chances of surviving a bear attack substantially increases with bear spray vs a rifle. Unless you make an instantly fatal shot, a rifle wound will escalate the attack but bear spray will diffuse the attack. Bear spray brings down the aggression level of the bear, does not require great accuracy and is easily carried for accessibility.

If I were specifically hunting grizz or following up a wounded bear, then the nod goes to my .338WM for sure but for a mountain rifle for sheep, I'll choose a light recoil cartridge every time that I'm comfortable shooting prone and rely on the bear spray on my hip in the rare encounter with a bear. Playing Rambo with a bear in close will likely get you killed. Using bear spray will let allow you to hunt another day. Read some of the studies out of Alaska if you are skeptical....they all come to the same conclusion when measuring the effectiveness of bear spray vs a firearm in chance encounters.
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The bear doesn't know WHY he's being shot at, so isn't the .338WM a good choice, anyways. It will still kill smaller stuff, I presume. Do we only wear our car's seat belt on long drives? A small chance is still a chance, and although I've never been to the Yukon, I hear that grizz doesn't always play nice. If a bear is gnawing at one's skull, that person may think, "Hmm, carrying a 1.3 lb heaver rifle might have been a good idea, as those deer rounds didn't seam to slow him down much." Oh, and I agree, a can of spray can't hurt either.
 
skhunter said:
Meaning any solution other than yours, which you are espousing on the internet.
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Hardly....just trying to point out the results of some well-documented research......it's not my solution....just my method based on the research I've done. Read the studies out of Alaska and numerous other places.....it may change your mind.
 
Bigfoot 870 said:
The bear doesn't know WHY he's being shot at, so isn't the .338WM a good choice, anyways. It will still kill smaller stuff, I presume. Do we only wear our car's seat belt on long drives? A small chance is still a chance, and although I've never been to the Yukon, I hear that grizz doesn't always play nice. If a bear is gnawing at one's skull, that person may think, "Hmm, carrying a 1.3 lb heaver rifle might have been a good idea, as those deer rounds didn't seam to slow him down much." Oh, and I agree, a can of spray can't hurt either.
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One of the requirements for my mountain rifles is that I can shoot them a lot from field positions I'll likely encounter in the mountains. A .338 does not fit into that category for me. I want a light-weight rifle that's pleasant to shoot a lot. I feel confident in bear spray should I encounter a bear. If I'm hunting or guiding for grizz then ya, the .338 is my go to rifle but if the intent of my hunt is not to kill a grizz but rather hunt mountain critters like sheep and goats, then the low recoil light-weight rifle wins. To use your driving analogy....I don't wear a helmet when driving to the post office but would if racing on the track.
 
sheephunter said:
One of the requirements for my mountain rifles is that I can shoot them a lot from field positions I'll likely encounter in the mountains. A .338 does not fit into that category for me. I want a light-weight rifle that's pleasant to shoot a lot. I feel confident in bear spray should I encounter a bear. If I'm hunting or guiding for grizz then ya, the .338 is my go to rifle but if the intent of my hunt is not to kill a grizz but rather hunt mountain critters like sheep and goats, then the low recoil light-weight rifle wins. To use your driving analogy....I don't wear a helmet when driving to the post office but would if racing on the track.
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I don't know of any helmet laws for cars, only seat belt laws. Nice try on the diversion:)
 
Bigfoot 870 said:
I don't know of any helmet laws for cars, only seat belt laws. Nice try on the diversion:)
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I don't know of any legal caliber requirements specifically for mountain rifles in grizzly country either. My point is, you pick your gear for the conditions.
 
sheephunter said:
I don't know of any legal caliber requirements specifically for mountain rifles in grizzly country either. My point is, you pick your gear for the conditions.
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I suspect that everyone who is attacked by a grizzly, poos their pants. I suspect that said poo smells bad, no matter who the victim is. Well, except for maybe one.........apparently:)
 
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