Ruger 1911 Navy Seal Edition

Getting back on track here, the OP asked if anyone "overpaid" for a collectable gun well I have to admit that I have on several occasions. At the same time I have "underpaid" for collectable guns so it balances out.
If the OP is thinking this would be an investment opportunity instead of buying Gold....it may work out well in the end or it may not but in the meantime you could fondle it and look at it and then stick it back in the safe.
I bought one of those 1911-2011 Colt Commemorative's of the 100th anniversary of Browning's masterpiece design. It is a re-issue of the gun they made in 1918 it came with the instructions that were issued with the originals, I also have an original 1911 Colt that was made in 1917 and I shoot both regularly.
I bought a limited edition re-issue of Colt's 1851 Navy .36 cal., the previous owner had shot it a lot and won many contests with it so I shoot it a lot and I don't care how much it is worth because it is going to be buried with me.
I have quite a few safe queen NIB overpriced collectables but I also have similar guns that I shoot so you can have it both ways.
 
2x. This sounds pretty sound.

OP, if you like the looks, the idea, the firearm, or the cause, then go for it.

Everyone's tastes are different; no one's are better than the other.

It's a fine looking piece in this Doc's eyes. Would go for it if I didn't already own a few 1911s and have my eyes on a couple of other pieces.
 
What's the deal on a coating like that over stainless anyways?

Is it durable?


This run of pistols will put $50'000 into that organization( what ever it is?).

Better then a kick in the ass.


As far as the "seals never got issued Ruger's" issue I think maybe they are just selling this as a corrosion resistant gun that would work well in a maritime application and then chose an organization to support as part of the run.

For the record this special edition 1911 is way nicer looking to me then any special edition lever action Winchester ever did!
 
Here is what one of the sponsors does

http://arma-coat.ca/frame.cfm?ItemID=76&CategoryID=6

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Just another point here.

I did a bit of research and DLC coating (Diamond Like Carbon) is very expensive.

So if anyone wants to show us just how unreasonnable the price tag is, I'd suggest they take their regular Ruger 1911 and get those one-of-a-kind grips, DLC refinishing and polishing, custom gold logo on both sides of the slide, and threw in 100 bucks for the Navy Seal...and see just how much they'd save in the end.
 
sewktbk said:
Just another point here.

I did a bit of research and DLC coating (Diamond Like Carbon) is very expensive.

So if anyone wants to show us just how unreasonnable the price tag is, I'd suggest they take their regular Ruger 1911 and get those one-of-a-kind grips, DLC refinishing and polishing, custom gold logo on both sides of the slide, and threw in 100 bucks for the Navy Seal...and see just how much they'd save in the end.
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So how much is "very expensive" for DLC?

Can you give a rough estimate and save us further research?

Even without that knowledge, I don't think the price is out of line.
 
Can-down said:
So how much is "very expensive" for DLC?

Can you give a rough estimate and save us further research?

Even without that knowledge, I don't think the price is out of line.
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Consider the prices for DLC coating offered by this watch company :

http://internationalwatchworks.com/contact-2/

Also, it was explained to me by DLC Coating Canada that the price varies depending on size and weight, since it has to be done in a vaccuum chamber.

So even it being done by Ruger during the manufacturing process, you're looking at a real increase in production cost. And its certainly no $20 a piece.
 
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sewktbk said:
Consider the prices for DLC coating offered by this watch company :

http://internationalwatchworks.com/contact-2/

Also, it was explained to me by DLC Coating Canada that the price varies depending on size and weight, since it has to be done in a vaccuum chamber.

So even it being done by Ruger during the manufacturing process, you're looking at a real increase in production cost. And its certainly no $20 a piece.
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The sr9 is 70 more with DLC, so it is 70 tops.
 
r34skyline said:
The sr9 is 70 more with DLC, so it is 70 tops.
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You're forgetting a couple of things. The SR9 has a polymer frame, so really only the slide has to be treated. Treating the slide and frame of the 1911 is at least twice the surface, maybe a little more even. Twice the setup, twice the chemicals, twice the price.

Then, you have the slide flats of the 1911 that are polished. thats additional fees to the finishing process alone.

And we haven't even started talking about the gold logos and the custom grips. So really, my initial breakdown still adds up. Hence my point that the majority of people don't take those important details into account. If you're that serious about understanding price differences, you should think about these things.
 
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sewktbk said:
You're forgetting a couple of things. The SR9 has a polymer frame, so really only the slide has to be treated. Treating the slide and frame of the 1911 is at least twice the surface, maybe a little more even. Twice the setup, twice the chemicals, twice the price.

Then, you have the slide flats of the 1911 that are polished. thats additional fees to the finishing process alone.

And we haven't even started talking about the gold logos and the custom grips. So really, my initial breakdown still adds up. Hence my point that the majority of people don't take those important details into account. If you're that serious about understanding price differences, you should think about these things.
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You really believe it costs ruger 70 to do the DLC per SR9? And that they make no profit off it? I would be surprised if it cost them more than 20 per sr9 to do, I would give this one $50 tops for finishing, and $20 more for the wood grips, plus some marketing gimmicky #### at a couple grand for the project plus the 50k for the nsf. Which again brings the markup to around 950-1k per gun to maintain equal profit.
 
r34skyline said:
You really believe it costs ruger 70 to do the DLC per SR9? And that they make no profit off it?
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No, I don't. But since you want to compare the retail price of the regular 1911 to the retail price of this special edition one, and bring in the retail price difference of the DLC SR9, then you have to calculate everything in retail prices. I didn't think it was that complicated to understand. Apparently it is.

If you want to talk profit margins of the manufacturer, then you'd have to know their actual production costs for the gun, which you don't. So right now what you are doing is whining about retail price differences and adding manufacturing prices on top to decide wether or not the price difference is justified. No wonder your calculations are all messed up...

Just another sign that you don't know what you're talking about. I don't mean that as an insult, but come on... why do I even bother trying to explain it to you if you can't get your math right.
 
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No, I don't. But since you want to compare the retail price of the regular 1911 to the retail price of this special edition one, and bring in the retail price difference of the DLC SR9, then you have to calculate everything in retail prices. I didn't think it was that complicated to understand. Apparently it is.

If you want to talk profit margins of the manufacturer, then you'd have to know their actual production costs for the gun, which you don't. So right now what you are doing is whining about retail price differences and adding manufacturing prices on top to decide wether or not the price difference is justified. No wonder your calculations are all messed up...

Just another sign that you don't know what you're talking about. I don't mean that as an insult, but come on... why do I even bother trying to explain it to you if you can't get your math right.
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Even going by your math right it proves my point of this being nothing more than a cash grab with an extra 6 figures of profit. I mean good for ruger, they played it perfectly along with many brands before them. But to say oooh they are being so nice and donating to a foundation. That is naive.

And unlike you I don't make assumptions about what people know or don't know. Then again, maybe you are the ceo of shell? Who knows, you seem to be a business mastermind after all Laugh2
 
r34skyline said:
Even going by your math right it proves my point of this being nothing more than a cash grab with an extra 6 figures of profit. I mean good for ruger, they played it perfectly along with many brands before them. But to say oooh they are being so nice and donating to a foundation. That is naive.

And unlike you I don't make assumptions about what people know or don't know. Then again, maybe you are the ceo of shell? Who knows, you seem to be a business mastermind after all Laugh2
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I certainly can't say the same about you, seeing how you are so confused by simple calculations.

I rest my case. I've made all my points with accuracy. If you can't understand those, then I'm afraid neither me nor you have anything left to contribute to this thread.
 
sewktbk said:
I certainly can't say the same about you, seeing how you are so confused by simple calculations.

I rest my case. I've made all my points with accuracy. If you can't understand those, then I'm afraid neither me nor you have anything left to contribute to this thread.
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You have made none of your points with accuracy, retail costs don't reflect the markup and actual cost for a manufacturer.

I am not confused by your simple calculations, I am well aware of them, they are just not very accurate at all. And you haven't disproven what I initially stated.
 
I have to agree with sewktbk on this. You take any large manufacturer and have them make a small run of custom guns, it is going to cost them a lot more than $100 per gun. I bet Ruger isn't making any more $ on these guns than they do on their standard 1911s. If they were doing a run of 10K guns, well that would be another story but a small batch like that? Ruger may have many reasons for coming out with this special edition but I seriously doubt that making some extra coin off a batch of 500 guns is one of them.
 
Runningfool said:
I have to agree with sewktbk on this. You take any large manufacturer and have them make a small run of custom guns, it is going to cost them a lot more than $100 per gun. I bet Ruger isn't making any more $ on these guns than they do on their standard 1911s. If they were doing a run of 10K guns, well that would be another story but a small batch like that? Ruger may have many reasons for coming out with this special edition but I seriously doubt that making some extra coin off a batch of 500 guns is one of them.
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Actually even going by swektbks simplistic and inaccurate math, ruger is making around 100k in extra profit off these guns. I don't know if they got in trouble or dissappointed their fans at shot show or the reasoning for making this gun, but I can gurantee you they are gonna make extra money off it.
 
r34skyline said:
retail costs don't reflect the markup and actual cost for a manufacturer.
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So why did you insist on comparing retail prices in your very first post of this thread when bashing the manufacturer? You really do sound confused after all...
Keep digging that hole, I'll just watch from here.
 
It is a nice gun.

It is a special edition.

It is a limited run.

It costs more that a standard Ruger.

Very nice finish and detail.

They are going to give some dough away.

They are going to profit on each and every gun they sell.

Good for them....sound business model.
 
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