Ruger 1911 Navy Seal Edition

sewktbk said:
Wrong again. They retail for $1100 in the states.

http://www.jgsales.com/ruger-sr1911...e,-semi-auto-pistol,-45acp,-new.-p-62551.html

You see how it would serve you better to actually know what you're talking about?



OK lets start from the beginning. I'll try to make it real easy for you.

You have a regular Ruger 1911 that goes for $700.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/955584795/Ruger_SR1911_45_ACP_NE.htm


You have a special edition one that goes for $1100. 100 of which goes to charity.

So $1100 minus $100 = $1000

Right? You're still following? Hope I didn't lose you there with all my algebra...

Thats a $300 difference between the limited-run special edition and the regular 1911.

Lets keep your COMPLETELY INSANE evaluation that all it costs ruger to make these guns is $50 a piece extra. This would include The custom finish, the gold logos, the custom grips, custom serial numbers, the marketing, and all project management + design + pre-production costs and salaries. (I'm still unsure how you think your per-unit evaluation of all that makes any sense, but since you are unable to wrap your head around anything else, lets use that number)

$300 - $50 = $250.

So even if we use your own ridiculous numbers, it still doesn't add up to your claim.
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Custom serial numbers cost Ruger exactly nothing. The grips are a near zero additional cost as well, there is no "designer" its called computer generated designs by someone at Ruger, nothing more. The DLC coating as stated earlier in this thread is advertised as a $70 difference on the SR9. So lets call it $140 to DLC the frame and slide, and keep in mind that's the RETAIL DIFFERENCE we are using in lieu of manufacturing cost. The gold logos aren't worth sh*t, they're simply gold plating, so $20 tops.

So as you stated, $1100 USD for this "limited edition" gun. Less the $100 for the NSF brings us to a cool $1000 USD. Subtract the generous $140 for DLC and $20 for the lame gold logos and we're at $840 USD. That's still a full $140 above the cost of a stock SR1911. We haven't looked at what the profit margin is on the stock sr1911. For $700 USD I can guarantee you there is a healthy margin in there. So, by comparing the retail costs, we see that Ruger is still making atleast $140 extra off these "limited edition" guns, that works out to $70,000 in additional profits for zero extra work. The link you posted lists these pistols as "Only 500 made under this Yalo edition,.. " which leaves Ruger open to offer a sh*t ton more under a different "limited run" name. There's no front slide serrations, no front strap checkering, the mag well is not beveled, there's no night sights and no light rail. Its a stock Sr1911 with a DLC coating, some ugly wood grips and a couple of tacky gold logos. All for a cool $400 USD above the cost of a stock SR1911. So why not buy the SR1911 and donate $400 to the NSF? The foundation makes more money and you still get a stock 1911. Perhaps this plan isn't appealing because its not a "Navy SEAL" 1911 with the cool guy logo on it?

TDC
 
TDC said:
Custom serial numbers cost Ruger exactly nothing. The grips are a near zero additional cost as well, there is no "designer" its called computer generated designs by someone at Ruger, nothing more. The DLC coating as stated earlier in this thread is advertised as a $70 difference on the SR9. So lets call it $140 to DLC the frame and slide, and keep in mind that's the RETAIL DIFFERENCE we are using in lieu of manufacturing cost. The gold logos aren't worth sh*t, they're simply gold plating, so $20 tops.

So as you stated, $1100 USD for this "limited edition" gun. Less the $100 for the NSF brings us to a cool $1000 USD. Subtract the generous $140 for DLC and $20 for the lame gold logos and we're at $840 USD. That's still a full $140 above the cost of a stock SR1911. We haven't looked at what the profit margin is on the stock sr1911. For $700 USD I can guarantee you there is a healthy margin in there. So, by comparing the retail costs, we see that Ruger is still making atleast $140 extra off these "limited edition" guns, that works out to $70,000 in additional profits for zero extra work. The link you posted lists these pistols as "Only 500 made under this Yalo edition,.. " which leaves Ruger open to offer a sh*t ton more under a different "limited run" name. There's no front slide serrations, no front strap checkering, the mag well is not beveled, there's no night sights and no light rail. Its a stock Sr1911 with a DLC coating, some ugly wood grips and a couple of tacky gold logos. All for a cool $400 USD above the cost of a stock SR1911. So why not buy the SR1911 and donate $400 to the NSF? The foundation makes more money and you still get a stock 1911. Perhaps this plan isn't appealing because its not a "Navy SEAL" 1911 with the cool guy logo on it?

TDC
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First, I think you need to read my post #76.

Second, your idea that people will just donate 400 bucks everytime they buy a stock ruger 1911 is ridiculous. You and I both know you'll never get enough people to do that to get 50k for the foundation.

Again, Ruger is using their opportunity as an established business with proper manufacturing, distribution and marketing to make a new limited-run, exclusive product, resulting in 50k to the navy seals.
AND they manage to make money for themselves, as they are with any other product.

Tell me whats wrong with that again??

And you claim these limited-run guns represent exactly zero extra work. You sound like you know what you're talking about...how many special projects like this one have you participated in yourself? Because although I don't work in the gun industry, I have myself been involved in such special edition products.....and I can tell you right away, what people like you think costs nothing actually does cost real dollars. And a lot of it is manpower and management.
 
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sewktbk said:
We all know Ruger is going to make a bit more money off these guns compared to their regular 1911. Can you blame them? Do you not understand that making a profit is the very reason these companies exist? Thats not a rip off by any stretch of the term, unless you're against the very idea of investing money and having a return on your investment.

Remember, Ruger could have easily come up with the same gun, in the same limited quantity and with the same features, call it some other fancy name, sell it for the same 1100 price tag and put it all in their pockets instead of donating a portion of the retail price to a foundation. So it really boggles the mind that some of you are butthurt about what they're doing.
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And now you are saying exactly what I am. Stop arguing about the actual profits, all the numbers given are hypothetical, we don't know what the margins on anything are. I'm talking about the concept and you said exactly what I said, ruger does profit more from this than their standard model as well.

As for your grip design costs? Ever consider maybe ruger held a contest on fb for fans to design it? Free design work, post it up watch people submit drawing after drawing.

And the foundation donation gimmick is so they can bring in a wider customer base, someone that may have been going to buy a colt gold cup, might just buy one of these instead, so they feel very special inside because they bought a "1 in 500" and donated to the seals foundation. There is a return on investment there as well, that is done as a gamble to bring in customers that might not buy the sr1911s otherwise, it's a brand image booster, something that will bring attention to ruger, so people that may have been looking at a different brand consider the sr1911 because ruger is a "good" company that donates stuff to charity. Spend money to make money, but being the ultimate businessman like yourself I am sure you got that figured out already.

Remington played that card with the Carlos Hathcock 700 despite the bloke using winchester m70, and in case you don't remember their sales afterwards got boosted indirectly by it.
 
r34skyline said:
And now you are saying exactly what I am. Stop arguing about the actual profits, all the numbers given are hypothetical, we don't know what the margins on anything are. I'm talking about the concept and you said exactly what I said, ruger does profit more from this than their standard model as well.

As for your grip design costs? Ever consider maybe ruger held a contest on fb for fans to design it? Free design work, post it up watch people submit drawing after drawing.

And the foundation donation gimmick is so they can bring in a wider customer base, someone that may have been going to buy a colt gold cup, might just buy one of these instead, so they feel very special inside because they bought a "1 in 500" and donated to the seals foundation. There is a return on investment there as well, that is done as a gamble to bring in customers that might not buy the sr1911s otherwise, it's a brand image booster, something that will bring attention to ruger, so people that may have been looking at a different brand consider the sr1911 because ruger is a "good" company that donates stuff to charity. Spend money to make money, but being the ultimate businessman like yourself I am sure you got that figured out already.

Remington played that card with the Carlos Hathcock 700 despite the bloke using winchester m70, and in case you don't remember their sales afterwards got boosted indirectly by it.
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The difference is, you chastise Ruger for being a profitable company that found a way to offer a cool product, make money, and donate to a charity.
Its like you want to hate them, and you come up with unrealistic cost evaluations to further justify your position.

Again, I don't understand why anyone here is whining. Its litterally a win-win-win situation. Ruger is happy, customers are happy, foundation is happy.

Remind me.... what are you crying about??
 
sewktbk said:
The difference is, you chastise Ruger for being a profitable company that found a way to offer a cool product, make money, and donate to a charity.
Its like you want to hate them, and you come up with unrealistic cost evaluations to further justify your position.

Again, I don't understand why anyone here is whining. Its litterally a win-win-win situation. Ruger is happy, customers are happy, foundation is happy.

Remind me.... what are you crying about??
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I for one am crying because I heard about this gun a day or two ago, and I don't have one yet.....


Compete ####ing bull#### I tells ya!
 
sewktbk said:
The difference is, you chastise Ruger for being a profitable company that found a way to offer a cool product, make money, and donate to a charity.
Its like you want to hate them, and you come up with unrealistic cost evaluations to further justify your position.

Again, I don't understand why anyone here is whining. Its litterally a win-win-win situation. Ruger is happy, customers are happy, foundation is happy.

Remind me.... what are you crying about??
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Chastise? How many bloody times do I have to congratulate ruger on it? What you thought I was being sarcastic? I wasn't, it was a sincere congratulations to ruger. This gun has opened my eyes on how easily clowns will buy something if it's polished up a little given some jibberish name with a marketing gimmick tacked on to it.

Hell Shooter 1 of 38 is willing to pay 1800 for one? Oh man if I was a dealer I would create fake profiles just to pop negative press, then maybe more people would be willing to grossly overpay for it.
 
r34skyline said:
Chastise? How many bloody times do I have to congratulate ruger on it? What you thought I was being sarcastic? I wasn't, it was a sincere congratulations to ruger. This gun has opened my eyes on how easily clowns will buy something if it's polished up a little given some jibberish name with a marketing gimmick tacked on to it.

Hell Shooter 1 of 38 is willing to pay 1800 for one? Oh man if I was a dealer I would create fake profiles just to pop negative press, then maybe more people would be willing to grossly overpay for it.
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One thing that is now evident, you think people who would buy something you wouldn't are clowns.

If they like it and think both the features, exclusivity, and navy seals donation is worth it...who are you to call anyone a clown just because you don't share that interest?
 
sewktbk said:
One thing that is now evident, you think people who would buy something you wouldn't are clowns.

If they like it and think both the features, exclusivity, and navy seals donation is worth it...who are you to call anyone a clown just because you don't share that interest?
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I'm sorry last I checked I had freedom of speech did I not?
 
r34skyline said:
Chastise? How many bloody times do I have to congratulate ruger on it? What you thought I was being sarcastic? I wasn't, it was a sincere congratulations to ruger. This gun has opened my eyes on how easily clowns will buy something if it's polished up a little given some jibberish name with a marketing gimmick tacked on to it.

Hell Shooter 1 of 38 is willing to pay 1800 for one? Oh man if I was a dealer I would create fake profiles just to pop negative press, then maybe more people would be willing to grossly overpay for it.
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Sometimes you gotta pay to play...and I likes to play!

Last I checked it was only money, the point of money is to trade it for #### you want. If you have lots of money, you can have lots of cool ####, like special run guns...

And the highlighted part above is why you'll never own/succeed in a business....
 
r34skyline said:
I'm sorry last I checked I had freedom of speech did I not?
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Yes, you are completely free to insult people who you don't share an interest with.

I guess some people are insecure enough that they need to do that to feel better about themselves...
 
Shooter1of38 said:
Sometimes you gotta pay to play...and I likes to play!

Last I checked it was only money, the point of money is to trade it for #### you want. If you have lots of money, you can have lots of cool ####, like special run guns...

And the highlighted part above is why you'll never own/succeed in a business....
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Learn to take a joke for what it is, I don't need to give canadian dealers more ideas on how to gouge us harder than they already are.

sewktbk said:
Yes, you are completely free to insult people who you don't share an interest with.

I guess some people are insecure enough that they need to do that to feel better about themselves...
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Insecure? Read the last few pages from my perspective and see just how hilarious you guys are. Free entertainment, you guys provide it better than almost anyone.
 
Here's some Special Edition guns I've likely grossly over paid for....


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People don't buy special editions (of anything) because they're a good value, they buy them because not everyone has/can own them.
 
Shooter1of38 said:
Here's some Special Edition guns I've likely grossly over paid for....


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People don't buy special editions (of anything) because they're a good value, they buy them because not everyone has/can own them.
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Wonderful. Good for you. Am I supposed to give you a cookie for that?

I understand collectors of a rare car, or rare guns, like a walther wa2000, or a numbers matching psg1, I don't really want one, not that it matters, but I can understand why someone wants one of those. This is just a 1911 with some paint and a finish on. Like a special edition mustang. Yes they can claim it's different, but it's basically a standard car with some fancy paint on.

Ah well live and let live. If you are happy I am happy for you. But knowing what I know now I see there is a way to profit off these special edition guns nonetheless. So this gun has been an eye opener for me.

On a sidenote, if you really wanted that Ruger navy seals 1911 have you considered giving irunguns a call? They can probably bring one in for you from the states, it will cost you extra, but hey you said it yourself money no object. So that's a thought no?

Cheers.
 
r34skyline said:
Wonderful. Good for you. Am I supposed to give you a cookie for that?

I understand collectors of a rare car, or rare guns, like a walther wa2000, or a numbers matching psg1, I don't really want one, not that it matters, but I can understand why someone wants one of those. This is just a 1911 with some paint and a finish on. Like a special edition mustang. Yes they can claim it's different, but it's basically a standard car with some fancy paint on.

Ah well live and let live. If you are happy I am happy for you. But knowing what I know now I see there is a way to profit off these special edition guns nonetheless. So this gun has been an eye opener for me.

On a sidenote, if you really wanted that Ruger navy seals 1911 have you considered giving irunguns a call? They can probably bring one in for you from the states, it will cost you extra, but hey you said it yourself money no object. So that's a thought no?

Cheers.
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It is Already in motion...

and yes, I'd like that cookie. I worked late and skipped dinner...
 
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