Handgun Holster, what are they used for? (in canada)

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enefgee said:
Given that you don't know the level of training of many (most or all) of the people posting here, you're making a fairly broad assumption. You're assuming that some of us consider the CFSC to be training - personally I'm not sure what it is, part propaganda and part bureaucratic hurdle, which to me was a pretty pointless waste of the hour that it took me to challenge it (I started shooting at age 8 and had an FAC - which required exactly zero training as soon as I was old enough). That's why I've taken courses (real courses-ones taught by professionals), and spent hours upon hours practicing what I've learned on those courses. I think it's funny actually that the best trained people here (to my knowledge) are the ones pushing for less BS.
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Perhaps you should have actually read my post - I said "so many people here think that because they have been trained on basic firearm safety (ACTS and PROVE) that it means they have been trained on ALL proper and safe usage techniques". I am specifically talking about those people that think because they have an RPAL that training qualifies them to use a holster. I am not making an assumption at all. I am addressing specific comments to this attitude.

That's great that you have spent hours learning proper holster usage technique. Clearly you DON"T believe advanced training is BS.

Did you even read what you wrote before posting it???
 
What is an acceptable level of instruction to ensure that someone is qualified to use a holster?

That's what I don't get.

I've had zero instruction for holster use, so don't look to me to be the quick draw king. That said, if you can't figure out all on your own how to safely use a holster you shouldn't own firearms.
 
@NavyCuda... exactly.

Its another beurocratic nightmare. "we want you to be properly trained"-them,
"by who, where do we get these courses"-us,
"we don't know, but courses!!!"-them

Its another useless money grabbing scheme.

Using a holster safe takes no training. It does take practice though. And learning how to use it better might require some instruction.

But for the average shooter, most are self taught champions ;)
 
NavyCuda said:
What is an acceptable level of instruction to ensure that someone is qualified to use a holster?

That's what I don't get.

I've had zero instruction for holster use, so don't look to me to be the quick draw king. That said, if you can't figure out all on your own how to safely use a holster you shouldn't own firearms.
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Well, our club asks our shooters to demonstrate proficiency in the following areas:

• Understanding of Standard Range Commands
• Understanding of Exceptional Range Commands
• Elements of the Draw
• Elements of Holstering
• Line/Range Safety Protocols
• Safe Movement Protocols
• Use of Cover Protocols
• Understanding Negligent Discharges
• Managing Malfunctions

We do this as part of an open ODPL group that meets once a week.
We do not charge for any instruction or certification which kinda suggests that the idea that it's a cash grab is a crock of sh!t.
 
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NavyCuda said:
Looking at the qouted post and yours above it, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Right - this coming from the person who said "I've had zero instruction for holster use"
Sooner or later you will have an ND. Hopefully your ignorance doesn't kill anyone.
 
maetsack said:
Right - this coming from the person who said "I've had zero instruction for holster use"
Sooner or later you will have an ND. Hopefully your ignorance doesn't kill anyone.
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This is the exact attitude that helps support the firearms act. You have no idea my skill sets and my experience. As a child I spent more time shooting than most adults have in their lifetime. I doubt very much I will have an ND because I understand safe handling practices. I take your suggestion that I will have an ND as a personal slight against me and I would appreciate an apology.
 
maetsack said:
Well, our club asks our shooters to demonstrate proficiency in the following areas:

• Understanding of Standard Range Commands
• Understanding of Exceptional Range Commands
• Elements of the Draw
• Elements of Holstering
• Line/Range Safety Protocols
• Safe Movement Protocols
• Use of Cover Protocols
• Understanding Negligent Discharges
• Managing Malfunctions

We do this as part of an open ODPL group that meets once a week.
We do not charge for any instruction or certification which kinda suggests that the idea that it's a cash grab is a crock of sh!t.
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Please explain what use of cover protocol is and what that has to do with safely using a holster? Same questions for the elements/components to the draw and reholstering? I agree that proper instruction leads to smooth efficient draws but it is hardly necessary for the safe use of a holster. And what is there to understand about an nd. You f@@ked up that's why the gun went off. Follow the fundamental four and they don't happen.

Tdc
 
maetsack said:
Right - this coming from the person who said "I've had zero instruction for holster use"
Sooner or later you will have an ND. Hopefully your ignorance doesn't kill anyone.
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By your statement everyone with training is immune to an nd and those without are destined for them. Do you believe this to be true?

Tdc
 
NavyCuda said:
This is the exact attitude that helps support the firearms act. You have no idea my skill sets and my experience. As a child I spent more time shooting than most adults have in their lifetime. I doubt very much I will have an ND because I understand safe handling practices. I take your suggestion that I will have an ND as a personal slight against me and I would appreciate an apology.
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Well given that the first thing you said to me was "you have no idea what you're talking about" don't be holding your breathe for that apology.
 
TDC said:
Please explain what use of cover protocol is and what that has to do with safely using a holster? Same questions for the elements/components to the draw and reholstering? I agree that proper instruction leads to smooth efficient draws but it is hardly necessary for the safe use of a holster. And what is there to understand about an nd. You f@@ked up that's why the gun went off. Follow the fundamental four and they don't happen.

Tdc
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Take some training - it will all become clear then
 
TDC said:
By your statement everyone with training is immune to an nd and those without are destined for them. Do you believe this to be true?

Tdc
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Absolutely not. But I do think the probability is greatly reduced. Don't you?
 
maetsack said:
Take some training - it will all become clear then
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Hahaha. I've taken over 150 hours of professional training to date and instructed many on firearms use as well as holster use but thanks for the tip.

I'm a big fan of professional training and feel everyone should attend some. As I posted above, you don't need said training to safely use a holster. You do need training to efficiently use that holster, there is a difference.

An nd occurs because someone fails to adhere to one or more of the fundamental four, it has nothing to do with a holster/sling/weapon light/suppressor/select fire/manual safety or passive safety being involved. Stop focusing on the gear and focus on training the individual.

How many of us have seen some clown at the store point a firearm at someone or in an ignorant direction and dry fire? How many of us have seen the counter monkey lose his SH!t on the guy and ask him to leave? See where the problem lies? Failing to discipline is condoning the action.

Tdc
 
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