Turmoil in Ukraine and prices on SKS and Ammo

[sergey96]

What about all the other communist block countries that have ammo and sks's available? I don't like meaningless hype to try to up the prices. If the prices go up because of a real reason that's acceptable not just for speculation. I have seen sks's falling from around 220-250 to 180-170 so this is just speculation.

Ukraine has most of SKS out of the communist block. Russia does not allow shipping those out of the country. All other countries destroy them. So please let me know what other countries can supply SKS and ammo. I can tell you what I have found for the past two month since all the shipments has been stopped from Ukraine due to unrest in the country.

Also do not forget USA dollar went up and MFS trade discount is going to disappear. I am telling this to all the reasonable people out there if you want to buy sks cheap buy it now. For those who want to see what happens to the price of SKS in this country in the summer please wait. After all I only bring 80 % of the import of SKS into this country what do I know.

 

[Gunexpert007]

Ukraine has most of SKS out of the communist block. Russia does not allow shipping those out of the country. All other countries destroy them. So please let me know what other countries can supply SKS and ammo. I can tell you what I have found for the past two month since all the shipments has been stopped from Ukraine due to unrest in the country.

Also do not forget USA dollar went up and MFS trade discount is going to disappear. I am telling this to all the reasonable people out there if you want to buy sks cheap buy it now. For those who want to see what happens to the price of SKS in this country in the summer please wait. After all I only bring 80 % of the import of SKS into this country what do I know.

Thanks for the heads up . I already have four Russian SKSs with laminate stocks , but i probabley could stock up on a little more ammo.......Better Safe Than Sorry...

 

[HammerHand]

I don't know the full story of what's going on over in the Ukraine right now... But any government that helps it's President's son line his pockets (turning a $7 million dollar investment in to $510 million in four years) is wholly corrupt, and deserves to fall.

 

[Mr_jonny]

Is that where the mosins and 7.62x54r ammo coming from ? I would like to say thank you for the heads up!

 

[sergey96]

Is that where the mosins and 7.62x54r ammo coming from ? I would like to say thank you for the heads up!

Russian surplus that you see on the market comes from Ukraine 95 % of it. Mosin, TT, SVT 40, 7,62x54, 7.62x39 and 7.62x25 all coming from Ukraine

I don't know the full story of what's going on over in the Ukraine right now... But any government that helps it's President's son line his pockets (turning a $7 million dollar investment in to $510 million in four years) is wholly corrupt, and deserves to fall.

Why do you think you enjoy cheap ammo and rifles?

 

[BeaverMeat]

That would be an easy out! for globalist elite, perpetrators of Agenda 21, New World Order, etc.

Why did PM Harper attend Bilderberg when he was with the Canadian tax payer's federation?

Your stupid is showing...

 

[New2U]

I have more then a few cases, guess its time for the credit card to come out....However I dont agree with the whole evil USA thing, what could their end game be? Just saying the states is involved because you dislike the states is irrational, I could understand if there is something to gain but Ukraine doesnt have anything of value to them except for possibly ammo? I do hope things stabilize, for the sake of the nation.

Just one small example: h ttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/05/us-ukraine-chevron-idUSBRE9A40ML20131105

 

[BeaverMeat]

Well, it looks like "they made a deal"

 

[dagtaph]

I have more then a few cases, guess its time for the credit card to come out....However I dont agree with the whole evil USA thing, what could their end game be? Just saying the states is involved because you dislike the states is irrational, I could understand if there is something to gain but Ukraine doesnt have anything of value to them except for possibly ammo? I do hope things stabilize, for the sake of the nation.

this is most likely the reason why US/EU is only too happy to see the region destabilize if not actively working towards this goal.

 

[grelmar]

If the Ukranian pipeline of cheap SKS's/Mosns/SVT-40s dries up, along with the ammo, then another of the former East Block countries will step in to fill the gap.

I don't doubt WestRifle's expertise in the area, or that the majority of the current supply is coming out of Ukraine (whether out of Ukraine's own stockpiles, or through being funnelled through the Ukraine by other nations), but I have my doubts that if the door closes on the Ukraine supply, that another will not open up somewhere else.

There is still far too vast a stockpile of those arms in the former East Block, and far too much $$ to be made shipping it to Western nations like Canada. You think we get them cheap here? We pay 4 to 8 times the going rate for old comblock surplus that most of Africa and the Middle East pays. The fact is that while $200 mosins and sks's, and $300 SVT's are an absolute bargain for the Canadian market, that kind of money buys AK-47s, plural, in most of the third world, where mosins and SKS's are pretty much "give-aways" as sweeteners for larger arms deals.

Someone, somewhere, in the former East Block, will re-direct the flow. There's just too much easy money at stake. Is there a risk of a temporary price bump? Sure. And sooner or later, the overall supply will dry up completely. But as it stands, there are still uncounted millions of of surplus arms in the former East Block. Most likely, another one of the East/West "straddle" states will become the new funnel (Czechoslovakia and Poland come to mind). To say nothing of the supply of Chinese SKS's making their way across the ocean (the supply bump there is from a shipping company getting skittish - not some fundamental trade reason - some other company will see the money to be made and fill the gap).

I'm not worried.

Mind you, I'm also not worried, partly because I already have a good example of each of SKS, SVT, and Mosin. So even if the supply does mysteriously vanish, I'm ok, I don't need a stockpile.

And there will always be a steady flow of milsurp arms throughout the world. Always has been, always will be. If you ever want to see an early example of milsurps coming to Canada, look up the sordid history of how hundreds of thousands of French Chassepot rifles, captured by the Prussians in the Franco Prussian war, were funnelled by the Prussian Government through British arms merchants and then out to the colonies and Africa.

SKS's, Mosins, SVT's dry up? Take a deep breath, hold onto your wallet, and wait for the next "big deal" in milsurp to come along.

 

[wojnar]

All of former eastern block with exception of what used to be former Soviet Union has already sold off 98% of is cold war surplus. Whatever is still coming from eastern block are the items that were hidden away by military officer for secrete their retirement funds.
They could hide many things but no guns, firearms were to well accounted for.
If Ukraine closes it is going to be like the Irishman said in Bravehart english arrows rained "We are fu......ed"

 

[Colin]

The USA is trying to destabilize the region and set up a puppet government. This is their normal MO. They take every opportunity to engage in secret operations and meddle in the affairs of others.

That would require a coherent plan and strategy, neither which are evident, don't always blame conspiracy which can be explained by good old fashioned bumbling.

 

[Desert_Fox]

If the Ukranian pipeline of cheap SKS's/Mosns/SVT-40s dries up, along with the ammo, then another of the former East Block countries will step in to fill the gap.

I don't doubt WestRifle's expertise in the area, or that the majority of the current supply is coming out of Ukraine (whether out of Ukraine's own stockpiles, or through being funnelled through the Ukraine by other nations), but I have my doubts that if the door closes on the Ukraine supply, that another will not open up somewhere else.

There is still far too vast a stockpile of those arms in the former East Block, and far too much $$ to be made shipping it to Western nations like Canada. You think we get them cheap here? We pay 4 to 8 times the going rate for old comblock surplus that most of Africa and the Middle East pays. The fact is that while $200 mosins and sks's, and $300 SVT's are an absolute bargain for the Canadian market, that kind of money buys AK-47s, plural, in most of the third world, where mosins and SKS's are pretty much "give-aways" as sweeteners for larger arms deals.

Someone, somewhere, in the former East Block, will re-direct the flow. There's just too much easy money at stake. Is there a risk of a temporary price bump? Sure. And sooner or later, the overall supply will dry up completely. But as it stands, there are still uncounted millions of of surplus arms in the former East Block. Most likely, another one of the East/West "straddle" states will become the new funnel (Czechoslovakia and Poland come to mind). To say nothing of the supply of Chinese SKS's making their way across the ocean (the supply bump there is from a shipping company getting skittish - not some fundamental trade reason - some other company will see the money to be made and fill the gap).

I'm not worried.

Mind you, I'm also not worried, partly because I already have a good example of each of SKS, SVT, and Mosin. So even if the supply does mysteriously vanish, I'm ok, I don't need a stockpile.

And there will always be a steady flow of milsurp arms throughout the world. Always has been, always will be. If you ever want to see an early example of milsurps coming to Canada, look up the sordid history of how hundreds of thousands of French Chassepot rifles, captured by the Prussians in the Franco Prussian war, were funnelled by the Prussian Government through British arms merchants and then out to the colonies and Africa.

SKS's, Mosins, SVT's dry up? Take a deep breath, hold onto your wallet, and wait for the next "big deal" in milsurp to come along.

True.... If it was 1994...

 

[Siggy Stardust]

The USA is trying to destabilize the region and set up a puppet government. This is their normal MO. They take every opportunity to engage in secret operations and meddle in the affairs of others.

Agreed.

And if it's not them, it's the Russians.

A few years back I was travelling around Croatia and remember talking to an old timer about how the whole war there started. According to him, out of the blue one day, the whole town of Dubrovnik was watching these guys hauling gear up to the top of the hill above town wondering what was going on. After a bit, phosphorus shells started raining down on the city and no one even had any guns to fight with. No warning - nothing.

It was his opinion (and I found out later, the general feeling in town) that the whole thing smelled like CIA. He said it took a bit, but they were eventually able to get the Italians and French to sell them guns to fight with.

The Americans do have a well-documented push to militarize the globe on their terms and that means that even some old Warsaw Pact countries are up for grabs. Don't know if I buy it, but I've read that some countries actually welcome a fixed military presence because it can be a huge boom for suffering local economies. Personnel eat, drink, shop, etc.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564


With Americans moving into the old neighbourhood, I could see the Russians getting nervous and not wanting to lose a war of "influence" so close to home. On that note it would seem, for the time being, at least, that Yanukovych is the Russian's puppet and marching to their tune.

Either way, it's the people of Ukraine that are suffering the consequences - let's hope it ends well for them.

One thing I've always admired about the folks out there is that once the line is crossed and they get pissed, they start breaking sh!^. Seems like they don't want to, but they will if they have to.

Whereas here it seems just bend over and take whatever is given to us.

Either way, the end result is that these poor Ukrainians are caught in the middle

 

[grelmar]

True.... If it was 1994...

We've hardly seen the tip of the iceberg of the Chinese SKS's... Someone will find a way to export them. It isn't a legal impediment at the moment, it's a shipping company impediment.

There will always be cheap surplus rifles on the market. It's the nature of the beast. As I said, if we run out of Mosins, SKS's, SVT's... Something will fill the gap.

Singapore has its own indigenous arms industry, the SAR-80 and SAR-21 are both selective fire, however to dump on the surplus market, do you think they won't stamp out semi-auto only receivers? Both a little on the "new and current" side to hit the surplus market, but time will pass. Neither are currently on the named list, nor would they qualify as "variants" of currently named rifles.

Keep calm and enjoy your rifles. When you've worn it out, rest assured that there will be something cheap and surpluss-y to replace it.

If you're a collector, that's a different story. But collector's, as a rule, will pay what they have to in order to get the specific thing that they want.

If all you want is a quality surplus rifle for shooting at the range, or maybe doing some hunting... I dunno, I find it hard to panic.

 

[TheManInBlack]

just another excuse to inflate prices of the surplus ammo and sks. if the guns and ammo are here already, there is no reason to raise prices right?

 

[Curtton]

Uncertainty for a couple of months then back to normalcy.

I wouldnt expect prices to rise bcos there are other option.

Most sks buyers are not choosy , if russian sks goes up , buyers will switch to cheaper alternative.

 

[Curtton]

Politically seems to settle down but still uncertain in the economic front.

 

[SoLDneR]

Uncertainty for a couple of months then back to normalcy.

I wouldnt expect prices to rise bcos there are other option.

Most sks buyers are not choosy , if russian sks goes up , buyers will switch to cheaper alternative.

I have to Agree,we have plenty of Nice chineese millitary sks now to shoot !

 

[kozack]

The only ones who destabilize the region are Russians. Putin can't get over the fact that Ukraine is not in his pocket. I'm sure Putin is the one who encouraged Ukrainian president Yanukovich to supress the protests by any means. Russian imperial intentions are the cause of all this mess.