Turmoil in Ukraine and prices on SKS and Ammo

Ukraine always was part of Russia and Poland. It never been an independent Country till 1991
Steiner said:
Russia has always consider Ukraine as a province of Russia. For decades there has been a Russification policy (from Soviet times) to make Ukraine more Russian. It has succeeded. Look at the blue zones on the map.

There are many issues in Ukraine. Politcal, economic, criminal, and ethnic issues. It is quite corrupt, and at one time was in the top 10 ranking #7. Now I think it is in the top 30 most corrupt.

An elected leader, who has stolen billions from the coffers. I think he did it to himself. He did not need EU or USA help. Lots of negative issues with the government that have been obstacles to the economic well being of this resource rich country.

As stated above, there was nothing romantic about the Soviet era. A brutal and ugly regime of epic proportions, especially under Stalin. The times after that were slightly 'gentler'.
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True. On and off independence through out it's history. Too bad all the Slavic Brothers could not unite and make one big happy family.
 
Steiner said:
Russia has always consider Ukraine as a province of Russia. For decades there has been a Russification policy (from Soviet times) to make Ukraine more Russian. It has succeeded.
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You'd actually be surprised. The policy under the bolsheviks was just exactly the opposite: the unkranization of the predominantly Russian territory. The Lenin's theory was that Russian Empire was sort of "jail of nations", and he wanted to destroy anything that had to do with it. Most of the communist leaders in Russia came from Ukraine. Keep in mind that the West knows very little, actually next to nothing about the history of the place, never mind the details. Mostly operating in general cold-war derived cliches. Understandably so, people over there know just as little about what happened with the fist nation people here, or US/Canadian relationships etc.
 
kozack said:
The only ones who destabilize the region are Russians. Putin can't get over the fact that Ukraine is not in his pocket. I'm sure Putin is the one who encouraged Ukrainian president Yanukovich to supress the protests by any means. Russian imperial intentions are the cause of all this mess.
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You're right, it's in USA's pocket
 
Epiplatys said:
The whole mess was setup by the neo-facists/zapadency (western Ukrainians) guided by the US for the most part, and to the lesser by the EU. Basically the attitude is "screw the Ukrainians if we can hurt Russians", that's the essence of the conflict - to try to further inflict as much damage to Russia as possible. At the expense of the people of Ukraine. Also consider that there are two parts to the Ukraine in the country to begin with- zapadenci and folks that identify themselves with Russia. This is what we are seeing now in Crimea.
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Thank you
 
The country seems to be on the verge of a civil war.
Pro-Europe vs Pro-Russia.

If this happens, I wouldn't expect any more surplus guns or ammo to leave the country.
I think it would most likely be handed out to arm all of the militia groups.

I really hope the Russian army troops being deployed in Crimea are strictly there to cool things off between the two sides.
Once hell breaks loose, there won't be any stopping it.
 
No easy fix for Ukraine The 3 countries that assured the Ukraine that its borders would be honoured will be the forces that break it apart. Russian aggression is no different that Nazi aggression just before WW 2. Britain and USA (and Canada because our politicians have killed our proud armed forces) will stand by and watch it happen. The UN will fail and Russia will win this event. My only wish is that the casualties on both sides will be extremely low or none at all. Wow I cannot believe that this type of thing is happening all over again. Shame on Russia for not finding a political answer to their concerns and shame on the rest of the world for standing by and watching it happen. I hope no one gets hurt. The people of the Ukraine both Russian and Ukrainian I hope you all remain safe.
 
as I said before civil wars are always difficult because in civil wars it is brothers who fight brothers.
Ukrainians and Russians should be uniting together instead of fighting each other.
Ukraine is the cradle of the Slavic culture it is very sad to see things turning the way they are. I wish it could be different.
 
dagtaph said:
as I said before civil wars are always difficult because in civil wars it is brothers who fight brothers.
Ukrainians and Russians should be uniting together instead of fighting each other.
Ukraine is the cradle of the Slavic culture it is very sad to see things turning the way they are. I wish it could be different.
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Ukrainians and Russians and Tatars have been living in Crimea for a long time without incident. Having spent time in Simferopol' during the 90's the only issue was the power struggles of the underworld aka criminals (was quite common to hear gunfire at nights), but never did I witness any ethnic tensions. Tatars and Georgians selling fruit at the markets alongside Ukrainians and Russians, people relaxing on the beaches of Yalta and Alushta. The only change now is that opportunists came out of the woodwork to capitalize on the turmoil.

I don't particularly care how this will affect the price of SKSs or ammo, I care about the needless bloodshed that may yet happen, on both sides. In case anyone forgot, the mandatory military service in both countries is akin to the 'choice' of joining the US military (aka, you're poor).
 
Well, let's not forget that Canada participates fairly actively in the conflict basically instigating it and supporting one side. This is partly due to the cold-war mentality, partly due to the western Ukrainian diaspora which established themselves in the country for a long time and also being vocal. While the Eastern Ukrainian and Russian ones being much smaller and traditionally not making themselves heard. The latter is also facing a somewhat uphill battle against the traditional anti-russian stance in the US and Canada.
But back to the question about the ammo - I don't think there will be any shortage of the ammo supply: the neighbouring countries like Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Belorussia, Russia, Bulgaria, Slovenia and a bunch of others manufacture this type of ammo.
 
Epiplatys said:
Well, let's not forget that Canada participates fairly actively in the conflict basically instigating it and supporting one side. This is partly due to the cold-war mentality, partly due to the western Ukrainian diaspora which established themselves in the country for a long time and also being vocal. While the Eastern Ukrainian and Russian ones being much smaller and traditionally not making themselves heard. The latter is also facing a somewhat uphill battle against the traditional anti-russian stance in the US and Canada.
But back to the question about the ammo - I don't think there will be any shortage of the ammo supply: the neighbouring countries like Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Belorussia, Russia, Bulgaria, Slovenia and a bunch of others manufacture this type of ammo.
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Its kind of hard to take the side of the country that has invaded another. I may be missing some news, but I don't see a single other country in the world supporting Russia on this one.
 
Well, I have not seen a single statement of support in the western media in regards to anything Russia has ever done. Let's face it - when we say "in the world" here, we really mean the western world. Granted this is what matters for the most part to us.
I'm not necessarily going to side with Russia on this one personally. But I do have friends in Crimea that are ecstatic about what they see as "liberation and the best thing ever that happened to them in the last 20 years". The simplest way to make sense out of what is going on is to check the Simpheropol and Sevastopol on-line forums and see what people are saying. Or if the language is the barrier, see the pictures that are worth more than anything we say here.
 
Besides we should probably wait before Russia actually invades Ukraine so all of this becomes relevant. So far there was the authorization to invade conditional to Ukraine initiating any use of force against the Russian population in the country. That is what was approved by the parliament, and this is where it stands at the moment.
As for the Crimea, the agreement allows to station 25,000 Russian military personnel there. At the moment there is 16,000. There is the locals that took control and would like more autonomy but still staying within Ukraine, parts of Ukrainian military that joined their ranks. Not something the mass media likes to highlight. And I hope I'm not going to be wrong, but it looks like the extremist elements of the coup are not getting enough support and aren't able to actually start a military conflict. If this remains such, we are not going to see any invasion altogether.
 
Epiplatys said:
Well, I have not seen a single statement of support in the western media in regards to anything Russia has ever done. Let's face it - when we say "in the world" here, we really mean the western world. Granted this is what matters for the most part to us.
I'm not necessarily going to side with Russia on this one personally. But I do have friends in Crimea that are ecstatic about what they see as "liberation and the best thing ever that happened to them in the last 20 years". The simplest way to make sense out of what is going on is to check the Simpheropol and Sevastopol on-line forums and see what people are saying. Or if the language is the barrier, see the pictures that are worth more than anything we say here.
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well said.
IN OTHER NEWS: http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/194102.html

New Kiev's prime minister (who is really a globalist banker) says Ukraine is Ready for IMF Auction Block!
This joke of a prime minister stressed that Naftogaz Ukrainy (Ukranian energy corporation which included several other energy companies )is "a burden for the budget and a non-transparent monster."

Some how Russia build their whole economy on energy, but this new government in Kiev wants to sell its energy sector to foreign companies because it is a "burden"! What a BS.

Once the useful idiots in the form of ultra-nationalists and other protesters have done their job, it is time to strip Ukraine of its riches, take them away from people and give those riches to global bankers. Ahhhh, western democracy triumphs again!
 
Civil war in Ukraine is highly unlikely. Right fascist movement may cause some trouble, but that's all.

Crimea will separate in may. They already control entrance roads. Ukrainian fleet over there joined them. Latest reports confirm that 22,000 of Ukrainian army in Crimea joined new Creamian government.
 
Don't spread the unchecked/false information.
Total number of Ukrainian troops in Crimea before russian invasion 3500. Most of them Navy support, communication and anti-air defense units. They are surrounded by 15000 of russian special forces.

guess_kto said:
Civil war in Ukraine is highly unlikely. Right fascist movement may cause some trouble, but that's all.

Crimea will separate in may. They already control entrance roads. Ukrainian fleet over there joined them. Latest reports confirm that 22,000 of Ukrainian army in Crimea joined new Creamian government.
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