Turmoil in Ukraine and prices on SKS and Ammo

5440fight said:
If things continue the way they are heading, the Ukrainians may have plans for those guns and ammo, that don't include us. I hope compromise can be found that will spare lives, and if not, I hope the violence is short lived.
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If I was a Ukrainian democratic activist I would be looking for opportunities to empty the warehouses and put a rifle and half a crate of ammo in the hands of every activist I could find.
 
Maximum said:
The USA is trying to destabilize the region and set up a puppet government. This is their normal MO. They take every opportunity to engage in secret operations and meddle in the affairs of others.
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And Russian isn't meddling in Ukraine's affairs? All of the democratic activists (both dead and alive) are just US puppets? If that is what you believe you probably vote NDP too!
 
Siggy Stardust said:
Agreed.

And if it's not them, it's the Russians.

A few years back I was travelling around Croatia and remember talking to an old timer about how the whole war there started. According to him, out of the blue one day, the whole town of Dubrovnik was watching these guys hauling gear up to the top of the hill above town wondering what was going on. After a bit, phosphorus shells started raining down on the city and no one even had any guns to fight with. No warning - nothing.

It was his opinion (and I found out later, the general feeling in town) that the whole thing smelled like CIA. He said it took a bit, but they were eventually able to get the Italians and French to sell them guns to fight with.

The Americans do have a well-documented push to militarize the globe on their terms and that means that even some old Warsaw Pact countries are up for grabs. Don't know if I buy it, but I've read that some countries actually welcome a fixed military presence because it can be a huge boom for suffering local economies. Personnel eat, drink, shop, etc.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564


With Americans moving into the old neighbourhood, I could see the Russians getting nervous and not wanting to lose a war of "influence" so close to home. On that note it would seem, for the time being, at least, that Yanukovych is the Russian's puppet and marching to their tune.

Either way, it's the people of Ukraine that are suffering the consequences - let's hope it ends well for them.

One thing I've always admired about the folks out there is that once the line is crossed and they get pissed, they start breaking sh!^. Seems like they don't want to, but they will if they have to.

Whereas here it seems just bend over and take whatever is given to us.

Either way, the end result is that these poor Ukrainians are caught in the middle
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Your post is a bunch of left wing dogmas, there is no substance to your comments, just unsupported leftist truisms. Regarding the link you posted, just go to the home page and look at the article titles, just a bunch of leftist ideological drivel. But, we're still a mostly free country so feel free to believe whatever you want just don't expect people to believe your posts.
 
Well the tinfoil hats can be put away, seems like things are getting resolved over there so now all the importers hede the near catastrophe and go over, clean out all the remaining sks and ammo, bring it to Canada and we have a great big sale,,,SKS and AMMO for everyone!!! DA!?!
 
I don't think SKS prices will go up because of situation in Ukraine unless major importers will agree to use it as a legitimate reason to raise prices and get more profit. Even if worst comes to worst and situation gets really out of control Ukraine has so many AKs and plenty of 5.45 ammo - they won't need older guns. I think they might rather sell it quick and cheap to get money for some stuff they really might need.
 
fear and uncertainty can drive prices up but only for short term bcos the country is broke and they eventually must unload asset they nolonger need.

good to know that some of you are richer than that country , they have only $400,000 in the treasury and $13 billion in debt that's due soon .
 
I do not vote NDP, but what part of Ukraine you are from,let me ask you?
762shooter said:
And Russian isn't meddling in Ukraine's affairs? All of the democratic activists (both dead and alive) are just US puppets? If that is what you believe you probably vote NDP too!
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The whole mess was setup by the neo-facists/zapadency (western Ukrainians) guided by the US for the most part, and to the lesser by the EU. Basically the attitude is "screw the Ukrainians if we can hurt Russians", that's the essence of the conflict - to try to further inflict as much damage to Russia as possible. At the expense of the people of Ukraine. Also consider that there are two parts to the Ukraine in the country to begin with- zapadenci and folks that identify themselves with Russia. This is what we are seeing now in Crimea.
 
I see plenty of Romanian, Czech and Bulgarian x39 & x54 around. Im also have more than one of almost each Redrifle variant. These things will outlast my kids, why
 
762shooter said:
Your post is a bunch of left wing dogmas, there is no substance to your comments, just unsupported leftist truisms. Regarding the link you posted, just go to the home page and look at the article titles, just a bunch of leftist ideological drivel. But, we're still a mostly free country so feel free to believe whatever you want just don't expect people to believe your posts.
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You are of course in titled to your opinion as we do live in a somewhat free country for the moment. I,ve watched our southern cousins descend into a corperate controled fascist styled system that the nazis never achieved. It's no coined acne that the world has not seen a year of peace since WWII and the CIA is not the only government Entity meddling in other countries. Look no further than the mess created in Cuba other Latin American countries.

This post is about the Ukraine and I hope it's people decide to conclude this peacefully as what happened in 75 in Portugaul. What we need is cooperation and the realization that corporate entities are not here to help us in any way. I pray this whole situation get's settled before any more violence occurs, too much of that already.

My two cents as a long time UN worker.
 
I am amazed at the amount of pro-russian crap I see on this site...especially nostalgia for the soviet era.
As a person whose family personally fought that regime during their 'meddling' in the cold war I can honestly say that I hope any pro soviet regimes or empires that are nostalgic for the communist era are razed to ashes.

Even if the US is meddling in foreign affairs and helping these people to win 'freedom', good for them - it is their right as the democratic leader of the free world.

That being said, just seeing the Presidential Palace with the bells for 'booze' or '###' made me sick...for a free world leader to be fed prostitutes...and more likely than not, unwilling young girls of the post soviet block is horrifying. Reminds me of Lavrentiy Beria...

God willing, there will be freedom in the Ukraine -
 
The latest news: the first thing the new protester backed government in Kiev does....not the economy, not the political situation, but......revokes Russian as SECOND national language status! No wander Russian population and Russian speaking Ukrainian population welcomes Russian troops.

NO matter what mass media says Yanukovitch is the last democratically elected leader, what can not be said of the current government in Kiev. Here is the picture from Washington post of the election results in 2010. No wander the whole eastern part still thinks Yanukovitvh is still their president and don't what anything to do with current government in Kiev. No wander Russian troops can't come fast enough for them.

In civil wars there is no right or wrong, they are messy although mass media wants you to believe otherwise.


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A partition of Ukraine has been in thr works for 100 years at least. Hopefully it will not be through a civil war.
 
CanAm said:
A partition of Ukraine has been in thr works for 100 years at least. Hopefully it will not be through a civil war.
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Well, let's hope so. Russia has decided to "occupy" Ukraine for the time being. Hopefully their intent is to help "stabilize" the region. They have bullsh!ted the Western media/governments these last few days. Who knows. I do hope the U.S. keeps their nose out of this one. They have internal problems of their own to solve.
 
Russia taking Ukrainian terrtory without a vote has worldwide implications

When the USSR broke up Ukraine ended up in 1991 with the world's third largest number of nuclear weapons, as they fielded and had manufactured them. In 1994 Ukraine agreed to give up that nuclear arsenal in return for 'security assurances' from Russia, USA and GB. If those Trilateral assurances are not now vigorously honoured it will show the foolishness of relying on political deals instead of ability to apply force. Most nations (especially near China) that rely on the USA would then need to decide for nuclear weapons, and another at best 'cold' war is likely. If Russia now goes for any more of Ukraine than the Crimea, or makes too much mischief, and the USA/GB acquiesce, military spending and paranoia is going to go up around the world.
 
Well said. +1
Epiplatys said:
The whole mess was setup by the neo-facists/zapadency (western Ukrainians) guided by the US for the most part, and to the lesser by the EU. Basically the attitude is "screw the Ukrainians if we can hurt Russians", that's the essence of the conflict - to try to further inflict as much damage to Russia as possible. At the expense of the people of Ukraine. Also consider that there are two parts to the Ukraine in the country to begin with- zapadenci and folks that identify themselves with Russia. This is what we are seeing now in Crimea.
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Russia has always consider Ukraine as a province of Russia. For decades there has been a Russification policy (from Soviet times) to make Ukraine more Russian. It has succeeded. Look at the blue zones on the map.

There are many issues in Ukraine. Politcal, economic, criminal, and ethnic issues. It is quite corrupt, and at one time was in the top 10 ranking #7. Now I think it is in the top 30 most corrupt.

An elected leader, who has stolen billions from the coffers. I think he did it to himself. He did not need EU or USA help. Lots of negative issues with the government that have been obstacles to the economic well being of this resource rich country.

As stated above, there was nothing romantic about the Soviet era. A brutal and ugly regime of epic proportions, especially under Stalin. The times after that were slightly 'gentler'.
 
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