maple_leaf_eh
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Boring and very high scoring. That is why there are pairs and team matches. The top dozen individual shooters would be on the line for weeks until one of them suddenly developed a heartbeat and threw a nine.
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Boring and very high scoring. That is why there are pairs and team matches. The top dozen individual shooters would be on the line for weeks until one of them suddenly developed a heartbeat and threw a nine.
Brutus
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The IOC is not our friend. There's one correction to this list Free Pistol is no longer an Olympic medalled event. IIRC, last medalled event was in South America. (2014-15?)
Sad thing is, it was the eldest shooting event since 1897.
They quietly dropped it and the complicit media didn't even raise one eyebrow. 50 meter men's pistol event.
Technically one could have competed in a sanctioned 50 meter match, single handed bullseye, using a single loaded revolver or semi auto in 22 LR. You would be up against a brick wall. Everyone else with Toz-35, Hammerli, Pardini and ergonomic grips.
But it's gone now so....
They tried this malarkey for the London Olympics pentathlon event. It's several disciplines: running swimming horse back riding fencing pistol match.
They wanted to eliminate the match air pistol to some light emitted ghey thing. Didn't happen.
The IOC is always trying to carve off a shooting discipline!
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Brutus
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Sure. But it is a shooting discipline that deserves recognition. Olympic Committees are hoping persons such as yourself become the majority so without resistance they have carte blanche to chop away at another shooting event.
Pistol events are seemingly always endangered.
I don't think the idea is without merit but as mentioned I have no doubt that the Federal body, which is federally funded, will be at risk of having funding pulled as a threat if they even considered such an idea.
Reading over the regulations, it seems like the best approach would be for provinces with more "friendly" CFOs (as they're the ones who will consider the "letter") and approach their respective provincial regulating bodies for such a letter for a transfer.
I also think that since there's no definition of what constitutes "training" or "competing" that it can be argued that any 22lr pistol can fit the bill as one who is "training" for the discipline without experience shouldn't be expected to fork up 3 grand for a Walther GSP for example. I will admit I am not very experienced with Olympic shooting as some other posters in this thread but from what I can see Free Pistol - which is the basis of trying to get most other 22lrs in besides competition ones - is still on the Paralympic program, no?
Reading over the regulations, it seems like the best approach would be for provinces with more "friendly" CFOs (as they're the ones who will consider the "letter") and approach their respective provincial regulating bodies for such a letter for a transfer.
I also think that since there's no definition of what constitutes "training" or "competing" that it can be argued that any 22lr pistol can fit the bill as one who is "training" for the discipline without experience shouldn't be expected to fork up 3 grand for a Walther GSP for example. I will admit I am not very experienced with Olympic shooting as some other posters in this thread but from what I can see Free Pistol - which is the basis of trying to get most other 22lrs in besides competition ones - is still on the Paralympic program, no?
maple_leaf_eh
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Brutus, don't get me wrong. I've shot bullseye and IPSC over the years. My father shot in two Olympics, so the genes are there.
Ain't that next on the retarded liberals communist agenda?!?!?
You are hoping that there are many more shootings......no wonder the world is such a mess......isn't that what caused all the gun control in the first place...won't more shootings lead to more control......bad place to express these types of opinions when anyone can read them......
Do you think that the Liberals care? We are being used as pawns by them, as part of their political games to gain votes and stay in power. They know it, and we know it too. If they really wanted to have an impact on shootings, they would have introduced measures to target the ones doing them. What the Liberals have done yesterday is equivalent of banning cars to reduce the occurrence of deaths due to drunk drivers. So, yea, there will be other shootings and the stunt of yesterday will not help at all.
And do not talk to me about the world being a mess. It’s the stunts pulled by the Liberals that contribute to making the mess; they have no honour. Firearm owners are not the ones causing mayhem…
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Donny Fenn1
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Modern Penathlon, one of the original "modern Olympic" sports was developed by Baron de Coubertin as a sport for cavalry officers to compete in. As a former competitor it saddens me to say the laser tag gun they use now cheapens the sport but makes it more TV friendly.
Brutus
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1912 Patton himself was a silver medalist in an Olympic pistol event. Not sure if it was pentathlon or Free Pistol?
It's quite possible he competed in both disciplines.
Edit: if anyone's interested a very good book regarding slowfire bullseye and similar techniques is Pistol Shooting as a Sport by Hans Standl.
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Is freestyle pistol no longer an olymipic thing ? the big long barrelled single shot 22 ?
maple_leaf_eh
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There are fewer classes than in the past. I see Rapid Fire Pistol, Air Pistol and Women's Pistol.
https://www.issf-sports.org/competitions/worldranking/complete_ranking_by_event_yearly.ashx
Some thoughts on (i) what the new law actually says about qualifying for the Olympic/Paralympic event exemption, and (ii) how you might get into this type of shooting:
It's important to understand the exact text of new s. 97.1 (b) of the Firearms Act, as added by Bill C-21:
"43 The Act is amended by adding the following after section 97:
Exception — handguns
97.#1 Sections 12.#2 and 19.#1 do not apply in respect of an individual who
(a) holds an authorization to carry in respect of a handgun; or
(b) meets the prescribed criteria and provides a letter to a chief firearms officer from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body indicating
(i) that they are training, competing or coaching in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the programme of the International Olympic Committee or the International Paralympic Committee,
(ii) the disciplines in which they train, compete or coach, and
(iii) that the handgun in question is necessary for training, competing or coaching in those disciplines."
That sets up two requirements. The first is that you meet "prescribed criteria". We don't know what those are going to be. The government is going to set them out in a Regulation later. The second is that you get a letter from the national or a provincial sport shooting governing body to the CFO (not FROM the CFO). The national body for Olympic/Paralympic shooting is the Shooting Federation of Canada. There are various provincial bodies. That's what this law says is required.
If I were a person (with an RPAL) interested in getting into this type of pistol shooting, I'd find a club where some members are already doing ISSF pistol. I'd ask them to let me start shooting with them, using a loaner pistol if I didn't have one already. Chances are they'll be glad to welcome you, if you show serious about giving the sport a try, and follow the safety rules carefully. That won't be a problem for anyone already in IPSC or IDPA. Likely the guys in the club will have some spare pistols. Then I'd join the SFC and start submitting my scores from the matches at the club to the SFC's Coast to Coast Championship series. That's to get classified by the SFC, and build a record to show serious participation in the sport. If you have a 22LR pistol already you can start with your own pistol. Although the official distance for the Olympic/Paralympic events is generally 25m, at the club level events are typically conducted at 20 yards, using adjusted targets that the SFC supplies. The course of fire is not difficult. Even if there's no club with an ISSF group in your area, it's possible to start shooting matches (and submitting your scores to the SFC) independently, if you've got access to a 22 pistol. A target return system isn't required. You can shoot outside. For a shot timer, just download one of the apps for an ISSF shot timer to your phone and play it thru the phone or a connected speaker. (The Android app is free; for the Apple you pay.) I know people who shoot ISSF pistol quite well with a Ruger or S&W 41 or Model 17 revolver. I've never seen anyone use a polymer pistol or one of the faux 1911 22s well enough, because of the accuracy limitations of those platforms (not saying it's impossible). An anatomical left or right handed grip is very helpful (and available at modest cost for pretty much any stock pistol from a guy in the USA who custom makes them with a 3D printer). You don't need to spend $3K on a Pardini SP or Walther GSP pistol and wouldn't shoot it any better as a novice anyway. It may take some time to get to where you can score competitively shooting one handed at 20 yards if you don't already have that skill, but that's a matter of time and practice. ISSF shooters don't look down on newcomers to the sport.
It's important to understand the exact text of new s. 97.1 (b) of the Firearms Act, as added by Bill C-21:
"43 The Act is amended by adding the following after section 97:
Exception — handguns
97.#1 Sections 12.#2 and 19.#1 do not apply in respect of an individual who
(a) holds an authorization to carry in respect of a handgun; or
(b) meets the prescribed criteria and provides a letter to a chief firearms officer from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body indicating
(i) that they are training, competing or coaching in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the programme of the International Olympic Committee or the International Paralympic Committee,
(ii) the disciplines in which they train, compete or coach, and
(iii) that the handgun in question is necessary for training, competing or coaching in those disciplines."
That sets up two requirements. The first is that you meet "prescribed criteria". We don't know what those are going to be. The government is going to set them out in a Regulation later. The second is that you get a letter from the national or a provincial sport shooting governing body to the CFO (not FROM the CFO). The national body for Olympic/Paralympic shooting is the Shooting Federation of Canada. There are various provincial bodies. That's what this law says is required.
If I were a person (with an RPAL) interested in getting into this type of pistol shooting, I'd find a club where some members are already doing ISSF pistol. I'd ask them to let me start shooting with them, using a loaner pistol if I didn't have one already. Chances are they'll be glad to welcome you, if you show serious about giving the sport a try, and follow the safety rules carefully. That won't be a problem for anyone already in IPSC or IDPA. Likely the guys in the club will have some spare pistols. Then I'd join the SFC and start submitting my scores from the matches at the club to the SFC's Coast to Coast Championship series. That's to get classified by the SFC, and build a record to show serious participation in the sport. If you have a 22LR pistol already you can start with your own pistol. Although the official distance for the Olympic/Paralympic events is generally 25m, at the club level events are typically conducted at 20 yards, using adjusted targets that the SFC supplies. The course of fire is not difficult. Even if there's no club with an ISSF group in your area, it's possible to start shooting matches (and submitting your scores to the SFC) independently, if you've got access to a 22 pistol. A target return system isn't required. You can shoot outside. For a shot timer, just download one of the apps for an ISSF shot timer to your phone and play it thru the phone or a connected speaker. (The Android app is free; for the Apple you pay.) I know people who shoot ISSF pistol quite well with a Ruger or S&W 41 or Model 17 revolver. I've never seen anyone use a polymer pistol or one of the faux 1911 22s well enough, because of the accuracy limitations of those platforms (not saying it's impossible). An anatomical left or right handed grip is very helpful (and available at modest cost for pretty much any stock pistol from a guy in the USA who custom makes them with a 3D printer). You don't need to spend $3K on a Pardini SP or Walther GSP pistol and wouldn't shoot it any better as a novice anyway. It may take some time to get to where you can score competitively shooting one handed at 20 yards if you don't already have that skill, but that's a matter of time and practice. ISSF shooters don't look down on newcomers to the sport.
Donny Fenn1
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He did compete in Modern Pentathlon. He came in 21st. As per his usual "my way or the highway" he used his service pistol instead of the usual 22 and either didn't hit the target for 3 shots or shot through existing holes thus lowering his final score.
For those that are interested in the 25m pistol events, you can get a 5 shot "semi auto" air pistol ( Steyr LP50 series ) that will let you train at home at a much lower cost. Match grade ammo from RWS and Eley is NOT cheap.
By the way, does the new law prohibit shooting clubs from buying new pistol ? If not then I guess arrangement can be made with club to buy the pistol and loan them to their members.
That was what my old club did, they bought a bunch of pistol and then "lease" them out to the member. So individual member can still get their "own" individual pistol to train with.
Greentips,
Gun clubs can run sanctioned Olympic style matches in coordination with the Shooting Federation of Canada’s office. Clearly need to use the correct targets, distances, etc…
The SFC runs for free a monthly match called the Coast to Coast match which covers the Olympics events and others shot at World Championships. This is open to SFC members and non-members. Members can earn a classification in a specific event which is great way to demonstrate a commitment to training.
While high end 22 target pistols are used at the higher levels, high standards, S&W 41, Rugers, etc… are common place at the grassroots levels.
In Rapid fire the high end modern target pistol have a significant advantage over the target pistols of yesteryear (eg SW M41, high standards, etc…) because of their lower bore lines.
Glock conversion - it may comply with the ISSF rules (dimensions and trigger weight, sights maybe an issue) they are simply not used besides maybe at club level matches/training. However, I have seen 1911 22LRs (kart 1911 22s top) used and the odd GSG 1911 at club level recreational shoots.
Gun clubs can run sanctioned Olympic style matches in coordination with the Shooting Federation of Canada’s office. Clearly need to use the correct targets, distances, etc…
The SFC runs for free a monthly match called the Coast to Coast match which covers the Olympics events and others shot at World Championships. This is open to SFC members and non-members. Members can earn a classification in a specific event which is great way to demonstrate a commitment to training.
While high end 22 target pistols are used at the higher levels, high standards, S&W 41, Rugers, etc… are common place at the grassroots levels.
In Rapid fire the high end modern target pistol have a significant advantage over the target pistols of yesteryear (eg SW M41, high standards, etc…) because of their lower bore lines.
Glock conversion - it may comply with the ISSF rules (dimensions and trigger weight, sights maybe an issue) they are simply not used besides maybe at club level matches/training. However, I have seen 1911 22LRs (kart 1911 22s top) used and the odd GSG 1911 at club level recreational shoots.
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