0.25 MOA right out of the box!
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My new-to-me sfp scope should be received today, oh man, hate to use ffp to do group shooting, especially with tremor reticle.
Also have reloading tools on the way, eta is next Monday.
Thinking with those update/tools, there is a chance to get better results. but seems, suddenly, no one interested it anymore...
therefore, there is no need for me to keep updating... may keep doing this 'research, since I'm already half-way, just not update here, avoid to waste readers time.
Anyway, it's time for me to leave this thread/topic, thank you for your times, and glad I'm NOT misleading anyone.
See you guys around,
Also have reloading tools on the way, eta is next Monday.
Thinking with those update/tools, there is a chance to get better results. but seems, suddenly, no one interested it anymore...
therefore, there is no need for me to keep updating... may keep doing this 'research, since I'm already half-way, just not update here, avoid to waste readers time.
Anyway, it's time for me to leave this thread/topic, thank you for your times, and glad I'm NOT misleading anyone.
See you guys around,
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Is it fair to say it's a 0.25 avg rifle? Remember what's OP's question, "does anyone know what rifle shoots .25 MOA from factory?" Did he/she mention it must be a 'all day long' standard?
Do not raise the standard by yourself, just like I can't lower the standard either. We're not judges. We just show the results, and let OP/readers to determine. No matter what we say, the fact is fact.
Do not raise the standard by yourself, just like I can't lower the standard either. We're not judges. We just show the results, and let OP/readers to determine. No matter what we say, the fact is fact.
I don’t raise the standard it’s just math ,
By your measurements , 3.008 (raw agg ) 1.54 (.308 x5 )= 1.468/5 = .2936/1.09= .2693 , (unless my math is wrong, in which case I apologize) now add in the fact that a .308 Bullet makes a smaller than .308 hole depending on what paper you shoot it through usually .015-.030 smaller and you can add another .030-.060 on your agg , .250 aggs don’t usually have any groups with paper between the Bullet holes.
Does any of this matter to the average (normal ) shooter? probably not , however, though it is a great shooting rifle and I’m sure it will do all you need it to do , it is not a .250 out of the box rifle ,
As you said “The facts are the facts “
In my mind a .250 moa rifle is a rifle that will do it more often than not “on demand”
Still a great shooter though
To be honest, I don't understand your caculate method... have no idea what 'agg' means, tried to google it, but no lucky. sorry, I'm just a noob in this sport, so many terms I just have no idea. So, in your caculation, it's a .269 or .27 moa avg rifle, am I right? You're a pro, so whatever you got, there is no argue for that. I agree it and trust it
. Having said that, from an ameture shooter perspective, .27 moa rifle is a .25 moa rifle. I know, technically, it's not, but that's why we're ameture shooters. We round it down, and never round it up, no never. (BTW, I'm in the process of out of this hobby, all my rifles will be put on sell. so honestly I don't care how it shoots that much.)Have/had five high-end factory rifles, did load develoopment for two of them. I can feel that the other one shoots better than this one, if you jam the bullets. Unfortunately, it's ruined by a local gunsmith, who has very good reputation and many forum members re command them. I regret it a lot. Anyway, my point is, if I tried two high-end rifles, and they both shoot at this level or better, am I just that lucky or this is the average performance for high-end factory rifles. I just don't know.
thank you for spending your valuable time to reply me. appreciate it.
LOL that brought back old memories of competitors that did just that - Probably one lucky, cherry picked group that they pulled out of their wallet at a BBQ party to impress everyone. "Yes indeed I'm blessed - my rifle can shoot this everyday, all day long"
A Tikka T3X Tac A1 in 6.5 Creed will get you mid .3 moa at 100yards with the right handloads and some good shot discipline. Consistent .25 moa is somewhat in the custom realm and some skill.
On a side note I have hit a couple of high .2 moa's with the Tac-A1 but that I think was just bullsh*t luck and a solid handload. .mid .4 to.5 moa all day long with factory Hornady 140gr ELD-M.
On a side note I have hit a couple of high .2 moa's with the Tac-A1 but that I think was just bullsh*t luck and a solid handload. .mid .4 to.5 moa all day long with factory Hornady 140gr ELD-M.
Years ago Jim Carmichael, I think, tested and found Sako Vixen 6mm PPC-USA to be the first 0.25 MOA production rifle.
The 6mm PPC-USA achieved 0.25 MOA but not the 222 Rem version did not <— this should be noted!
For comparison, the accuracy of some very accurate production rifles:
Tubb 2000 better than 1/3 MOA
M40 rifle 0.4 MOA
SR-25 0.75 MOA
The 6mm PPC-USA achieved 0.25 MOA but not the 222 Rem version did not <— this should be noted!
For comparison, the accuracy of some very accurate production rifles:
Tubb 2000 better than 1/3 MOA
M40 rifle 0.4 MOA
SR-25 0.75 MOA
On a side note I have hit a couple of high .2 moa's with the Tac-A1 but that I think was just bullsh*t luck and a solid handload. .mid .4 to.5 moa all day long with factory Hornady 140gr ELD-M.[/QUOTE]
Sure didn't happen with the boxes of 140's and 147's I tried, just for the hell of it, to see if maybe there was any truth to the stuff I've seen about Hornady Match ammo. The 140's had a nice SD, 8.6. The 147's were 30.1, and a box of cheapie Herter's outshot both @ 7/8MOA. Fed premium 130 Berger worked best, about 5/8MOA. I just tried them to get something to shoot with as my stuff is in storage at the moment, was not impressed with the Hornady I acquired. But, that's out of a new gun, didn't even turn down the trigger yet, and it was blowing pretty hard. Just that the Hornady was the worst of the lot that day. I never expect much from factory ammo though. Think the OP needs to go read Secrets of the Houston Whs.
Sure didn't happen with the boxes of 140's and 147's I tried, just for the hell of it, to see if maybe there was any truth to the stuff I've seen about Hornady Match ammo. The 140's had a nice SD, 8.6. The 147's were 30.1, and a box of cheapie Herter's outshot both @ 7/8MOA. Fed premium 130 Berger worked best, about 5/8MOA. I just tried them to get something to shoot with as my stuff is in storage at the moment, was not impressed with the Hornady I acquired. But, that's out of a new gun, didn't even turn down the trigger yet, and it was blowing pretty hard. Just that the Hornady was the worst of the lot that day. I never expect much from factory ammo though. Think the OP needs to go read Secrets of the Houston Whs.
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FWIW..I have an out-of-the-box Steyr SSG-04 in .308 that has done five shot .34 moa with factory ammo outdoors with a 15km/h wind...and this 62 y/o never went to sniper school... I am plenty happy with that result
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Once, or on command?
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