Don't get your panties in a knot, pmt wanted to know what threads people were claiming 1/4 moa from factory rifles and yours just happened to pop up in a search.
Jeeeez, some people need to take a happy pill.
1/4 MOA Challenge
- Thread starter maynard
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Don't get your panties in a knot, pmt wanted to know what threads people were claiming 1/4 moa from factory rifles and yours just happened to pop up in a search.
Jeeeez, some people need to take a happy pill.
ORA would be using 1/2 min DCRA 300m centers and not the ICFRA .4moa 300m, I believe, making it 10V's required for a 1/2 min 10 shot group.
punkrockboy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Eastern Bantario!
Yeah , but I wasnt claiming 1/4 moa, and the tone of this thread tends to lump the people in the quoted threads as a bunch of lying internet tards.....
I claimed .032 Moa at 100m in this thread.....and I have pics to prove it (along with a 1/2" group at 200m shot right after it. Doesn't make me a tard.
Like you, I don't claim that I (or the gun) can do it all day. Actually, I don't expect to do it again in my lifetime...LOL
I am sorry I have not followed this from the start! I don't have time to read them all but I am really looking forward to seeing those that can collect from Maynard. Maybe we should make this offer at Connaught as well?? I would really offer "no rules" on this one. The shortest distance we shoot is 300m so .25moa is about just that!
Screw quality rings! The big thing is come out, get your barrel hot, and do what you can, learn what you can. Maynard has a pile to offer the new shooter if they want to listen, but more importantly, get involved.
The fact of the matter is that this is the last generation that saw this as a sport. Pffffffffffft! $65 or whatever for 5 shots. Last year, I would have eaten that like prime pus$y. Cheap if you understand accuracy and precision.
If your local provincial rifle club does not understand how to coach you, ping me. I suck, but know who to put you in touch with.
Or, talk about how your rifle is x fraction of a minute of an angle all day long if you do your part!
It is highly unlikely most shooters could produce a 1/4 minute five shot group at three hundred meters with any rifle, on demand. Good short range BR rifles are capable but the bullets are a bit wind sensitive. Top "F" class rifles can be capable but, again, only on a calm day. I do believe, if a bunch of "F" class shooters shot a benchrest course at 300 meters (five, five shot groups) there would be some 1/4 minute groups fired but nobody would come close to a 1/4 minute aggregate.
I HAVE seen a factory rifle fire 1/4 moa five shot groups at 100 and 200 yards. The rifle was a Remington Model 700 Varminter in 308 Winchester. The shooter was Al Mirdoch and it was done in competition. It was also done with a 6 power scope in one instance! The rifle was bone stock except for bedding. Regards, Bill.
I HAVE seen a factory rifle fire 1/4 moa five shot groups at 100 and 200 yards. The rifle was a Remington Model 700 Varminter in 308 Winchester. The shooter was Al Mirdoch and it was done in competition. It was also done with a 6 power scope in one instance! The rifle was bone stock except for bedding. Regards, Bill.
Today I fired 3 Timberwolf 338 Lapua rifles at 300m as part of a formal witnessed test. Factory Lapua ammunition was used. 3 five shot groups were fired per rifle and the MOA was as follows:
#1 .610
#2 .760
#3. .608
The average for 9 five shot groups was .659 MOA. The conditions were 28c with light winds. Mirage was running pretty strong...
No cooling was done between groups. As an interesting aside the acceptance criteria was not MOA but probability of hit (Ph) with a complex excel sheet plotting hits and spitting out probability for 1250m (extrapolated obviously due to 300m range)
I would consider this as slightly better than normal for factory ammunition and these rifles had been previously tested when new and all 3 displayed improved accuracy after 500 rounds.
#1 .610
#2 .760
#3. .608
The average for 9 five shot groups was .659 MOA. The conditions were 28c with light winds. Mirage was running pretty strong...
No cooling was done between groups. As an interesting aside the acceptance criteria was not MOA but probability of hit (Ph) with a complex excel sheet plotting hits and spitting out probability for 1250m (extrapolated obviously due to 300m range)
I would consider this as slightly better than normal for factory ammunition and these rifles had been previously tested when new and all 3 displayed improved accuracy after 500 rounds.
Have we not heard of a little thing called DUCT TAPE?
If it's good enough for Red Green........
The tone of some of the posts is trying to embarrass someone for posting their 'best of' target. None of the examples provided contained claims of being able to shoot sub 1/4 moa at 300m all day. Guys were just proud of what they had done - even if it was only once.
Maynard is having fun trying to get more people out. A year or two ago he offered to supply ammo for people to come out, as he had a surplus of surplus ammo. His post was trying to encourage people. The following few posts were a discouragement to shooters.
How about me? Once, 6 yrs ago I shot a 3/4" 5 rd group at 200yds. Haven't been able to beat or repeat it - but I did it
Post #7 http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=114726&postcount=7
I'm sorry for turning this into something confrontational. I just saw a cool offer turn sour quickly, and I commented on it.
Cheers.
I also wondered the same thing, why are they "illegal" ?
Have you ever laid shoulder-to-shoulder on a shooting line with someone using a brake?
Notwithstanding the fact that they are highly disruptive to other shooters, ICFRA rules specifically prohibit their use. Canada and the DCRA use ICFRA rules
Regularly. Some disciplines discourage them, others welcome them.
Good hearing protection makes the difference.
As far as the offer goes, its the same as Hungry challenging the Mirror Kommandos to leave their looking glasses and get out to a range.
The important thing is to get more folks out shooting.
Although some of the very finest shooting is done on the 'net, rather than on a range.....
Amen brother! I guess the ruddy lords of the admiralty, or whoever the mandarins are that wrote the rules for F-Class decided we are far too gentile for muzzle brakes!
By the way, I want to thank you for the LE barrel!!! It is on its way to Krieger for reverse engineering and I expect to have the verdict fairly soon. I want to reimburse you for your costs, so please drop me a line!
Ian
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Tha fact that some would use that to an advantage to blast the competitors when they shoot is one of the reasons they are not allowed, for sure.
I have sen some brakes that send so much blast sideways that stuff gets knocked over on the psotition next to the shooter, but it's not bad f0r the shooter themselves.
Cat
- Location
- Virden, MB
I held off braking my 7mmRM for the longest time for that exact reason. I would rather pound the s**t outta myself than be rude to the guys next to me.
Last time I stretched its legs my 1st 2 shots I left the brake on as I had just gotten used to it being there and knocked over a fellow shooters coffee 6 feet away from me.
Brakes are cool when you are shooting by yourself, otherwise they are kinda obnoxious.
Last time I stretched its legs my 1st 2 shots I left the brake on as I had just gotten used to it being there and knocked over a fellow shooters coffee 6 feet away from me.
Brakes are cool when you are shooting by yourself, otherwise they are kinda obnoxious.
I wana add some fuel to this fire.
Let's make it interesting.
I'll up Maynard's offer and pay the participation fee for any guy who can put up only a 5 shot group at 1/2 moa at 300 meters at Cedar Springs with a factory gun!
They gotta be in the V-Bull though.
Come on out to Cedar Springs in droves lay down and bang us off a 1/2 moa group in the v bull and I'll bring my check book.
And all you guys who cant do it can pool your cash together to pay my $20 marker fee, I figure it should cost ya about 10 cents each. We just need one volunteer to count the dimes!
Any takers?
Let's make it interesting.
I'll up Maynard's offer and pay the participation fee for any guy who can put up only a 5 shot group at 1/2 moa at 300 meters at Cedar Springs with a factory gun!
They gotta be in the V-Bull though.
Come on out to Cedar Springs in droves lay down and bang us off a 1/2 moa group in the v bull and I'll bring my check book.
And all you guys who cant do it can pool your cash together to pay my $20 marker fee, I figure it should cost ya about 10 cents each. We just need one volunteer to count the dimes!
Any takers?
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