10 Rd AR mags in 3 Gun

maurice said:
So again, and this thread although long, I think is important....as it allows more rounds to be used in an AR type rifle and basically is a loophole...

on a related subject.....,

--*if a magazine of 20 or 30 rds was made for the Pump rifle specifically,....how would that effect the law regarding mag capacity for that Magazine.....ie: Could the mag specifically made for a pump rifle be used in an AR variant, and would it be legal......?
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BINGO!!!

as for the second, the precident has been set initially with the Storm Mags, and now reinforced with the LAR10 mags.. it would seem hopefull that someone can convince the RCMP that the 30 rounders for the Remingotn pump, fall under the same criteria.
 
ckc123 said:
1) Is the Magazine just a common magazine design, and is just used in this particular firearm.

a) Remington mag - Yes, it's just a relabeled AR mag which was ORIGINALLY designed for the AR rifle..

b) LAR Mag - NO, that mag was designed for that specific pistol, and it manufactured and labeled to be used as such.

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Rock River doens't make the Questar mag, I asked them. I think it might be a C-products mag. Only Mark can answer that question.
The 10 rounder was more then likely designed for the rifle back when the AWB only allowed 10 rounds in an AR, They didn't design a mag for use in a pistol, they made a rifle into a pistol. Which is why they don't sell pistol mags. They just sell 10,20,and 30rnd LAR-15 mags, with no engraveing on them, no distinction between one for a rifle and one for a pistol. If california and a few other states didn't keep the mag restrictions there would be no reason for producing a 10 round AR mag. The Canadian market alone would not justify the process. The AWB was all firearms there was no difference between rifle and pistol capacity, so why would they care about "making" a "new" pistol mag when they oculd just use a rifle mag?
So it is a common rifle mag, the only difference is some engraving on the side, so we should be able to engrave something similar on the side of a 30 rounder for the Remington.
 
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Madness said:
but a mag for the pump rifle would just be an AR Mag with different markings on it since the gun is designed to take AR mags like the pistol.
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Just go buy the 10 rounder LAR mag for the Remy Pump and shush :)

If the magazine is SPECIFIC to a firearm, then it falls under that classification.
Hence:
  • Cx4 Storm Carbine/Rifle Mags (as labeled & manufactured for) must be limited to 5 rounds.
  • LAR-15 Pistol Mags (as labeled & manufactured for) must be limited to 10 rounds.
  • Remy 760/7600 series Pump rifle would be any limit mags as labeled & manufactured for the specific rifle.
So yes. IF remington was to make a specific mag labeled as for the 7615 then I'd bet that they would have to allow it (RCMP have set the precidents). I doubt that they will however, as mentioned earlier, there isn't enough of a market for it.

I wonder if I can get a banana mag made for an Enfield....
 
There is no question that the storm Mags are from a pistol since they are a pistol caliber and the pistol came before the rifle. There is no LAR-15 PISTOL mag listed on the Rock River site becuase it's designed to use standard AR mags, all the pictures show it with a standard 30 round mag. The pistol came after the rifle, adapted from the rifle, a mag made by some one other then the maker of the pistol and we're dealing with a rifle round here so that's where it gets different. Contact info for the RCMP officer who is responsible for clearing these mags would greaty clear up the situation. I've allready tried asking for MR ###XX ######, but they couldn't find his office number. That way we could ask someone who isn't making a profit off the mag if we can actually use these in our rilfes. So far all the info that says this is good for a rifle comes from or is filtered thru the guy selling the mags. If that were to change, there probably wouldn't be any speculation about these anymore.
 
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Madness said:
Contact info for the RCMP officer who is responsible for clearing these mags would greaty clear up the situation.
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No, it wouldn't. It would result in a flood of irritating, aggressive and demanding phone calls to the guy, resulting in serious damage to any goodwill we may have with his organization and making the next interpretation much easier for them - "denied".

If you're unhappy with the situation, don't buy the mags.

What I infer from the rest of your posting is that Mark may be lying - which I flat-out don't believe on the grounds of what I know of his character. Further, Mark would have to be stupid to import a truckload of prohibited mags, because they would be seized at the border. Mark is not stupid.

Give it a rest.
 
The problem here is that there are lots of suppositions and inferences being made without looking at the facts.
The LAR mags were accepted by the RCMP forensics folks as being manufactured specifically for the gun. They have listed them as pistol magazines, and thus they are 10rd magazines. It matters not what other guns the mags may fit, as the law restricts magazines not guns wrt capacity.
Any other gun/magazine combo is immaterial. If the RCMP have approved another magazine for another pistol or for a pump action rifle then by all means bring the topic up for discussion. But wishing it were so does not make it so. Furthermore the RCMP forensics people seem to be very consistent in their rationale, they do ask manufacturers hard questions, and they don't just take a dealer's word for anything. Don't assume they are incompetent or that a dealer is making things up. And please stop suggesting that you know better. As pointed out, if you do have concerns, don't buy the mags.
 
I got the call!!

Ok...I'm someone not selling these mags (yet) - I have nothing to loose by them being accepted or rejected - and I have confirmation from the CFC.

I was just speaking with the gentleman at the RCMP that wrote the letter to Questar. He explained a lot of stuff to me, backing up Mark and Redleg and others here.

He did explain that he won't write me back and specifically say "LAR-15 10 round mags are OK in an AR-15 rifle" as he believes that Questar's letter from him says it enough and that sort of letter might get twisted.

He did assure me that it's OK. He also told me that he has advised DFIAT (The guys that issue import permits) CBSA (Canada Customs) and NWEST (National Weapons Enforcement Support Team) of this decision (with lots of "you authorized WHAT?" calls afterwards) so there's no reason law enforcement should be confused and coming down on anyone using these mags in AR-15 rifles.

By the way; the side thread in here regarding a special mag for a pump ar-15 that only holds 10 won't fly - rifle to rifle gets stuck with 5 rounds. Handgun to rifle gets the 10...methinks someone in that office is following this thread - hence the extra volunteered clarification. :D

Great guy; gave me his direct # and offered to help anytime. He's a shooter too.

So there you go - IPSC Canada will direct thier officials that AR-15 shooters with LAR-15 10 round mags are not in violation of IPSC rule 3.3.

I'm convinced - I ordered mags from Mark...I suggest anyone that was on the fence order from him or one of his dealers soon - these things are going to sell like hotcakes.

One last thing - Thanks goes out to Mark / Questar for his hard work getting this set up!

Sean Hansen
IPSC Canada Regional Director.
 
The only problem I foresee is that all the tac gear people use is geared to 20's and 30's in sizes :) Who makes a malice/pals/molle ammo pouch for 10 rounders?

Hey we just created a new market in Canada!
 
Jarlath said:
The only problem I foresee is that all the tac gear people use is geared to 20's and 30's in sizes :) Who makes a malice/pals/molle ammo pouch for 10 rounders?

Hey we just created a new market in Canada!
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As far as i recall the compass or small utility pouches will hold 2 10rnd mags nicely.
 
Jarlath said:
The only problem I foresee is that all the tac gear people use is geared to 20's and 30's in sizes :) Who makes a malice/pals/molle ammo pouch for 10 rounders?

Hey we just created a new market in Canada!
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Blade Tech and California Competition would be OK - you might have to put a spacer in the bottom to get enough popping out of the pouch to grab, though. I mean, you're only going to have to carry half as many mags now...
 
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Buy a bunch, hide them under the ####in bed in case all the whiners crapping on this thread cause so much trouble...somebody decides to ban them again..
 
Not sold out? I thought those 150 would go pretty fast, I got my 5 ordered. Mark said they were being shipped out on Monday so hopefully you'll get them and ship em out ASAP :evil:
 
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