10 Round AIA Enfield/M14 Magazines.

Moe said:
PART 4PROHIBITED DEVICES

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 9

1. Any electrical or mechanical device that is designed or adapted to operate the trigger mechanism of a semi-automatic firearm for the purpose of causing the firearm to discharge cartridges in rapid succession.


2. Any rifle, shotgun or carbine stock of the type known as the “bull-pup” design, being a stock that, when combined with a firearm, reduces the overall length of the firearm such that a substantial part of the reloading action or the magazine-well is located behind the trigger of the firearm when it is held in the normal firing position.


Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,


(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,


(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,


(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,


(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or


(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or



(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.



(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that

(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,


(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or


(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;

Hope that clears this up.

Moe
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well that's news to me!

I guess there goes the hope for anything larger than a 10 round A1A SMLE mag :(
 
It definitely only applies to the semi or full auto Lee Enfields which is good news if you own one as you can have 10 round mags.

The only condition of Para 1(a) that fits Lee Enfields is the sub-paras (ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun, and (iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,.

Bolt actions do not apply to Para 1(a) at all which makes Para 2(a)(ii) moot.

Gotta love the way laws are written.
 
One thing that has me scratching my head is the use of former, has the quoted text been replaced by newer regulations?

Oh and thank God I went into Engineering instead of law. :puke:
 
It's a moot point, as the only relevant Lee Enfield magazines to us are the AIA .308 ones, and they only come in the 10-rd flavour for the time being. That being said, I wouldn't risk my gun liberties over an assumption that the intent of that statement was for semi or full automatic Lee Enfield rifles, none of which were produced for or possibly even available in Canada.

You can interpret the laws how you wish, but it doesn't seem wide to advise the general public to make an assumption about written gun laws.
 
3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada, Doesn't apply.


(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun, Applies to Semi Lee Enfields.


(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, Applies to full auto Lee Enfields.


(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols, Sure as #### don't apply.


(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or Again nope.


(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or Hell no!!!

No assumptions needed as it's pretty obvious.
 
Oh and the reason I highlighted what Para 1(a) said is this:

(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that

(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,


(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or


(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;

The Liberals gave us an exemption for the Garand's 8 round clip, semi/full auto Lee Enfields (to a max of 10) and rimfires. Case rested.
 
in any case, 5 extra rounds just makes an m-14 more heavy anyways...

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BWAAAAHAHAHAAA!! just kidding !! got you going there, didn't I ...
 
WTF are you trying to argue? Lee Enfields can use 10-rd magazines, no greater. So can M14's since the mags are manufacture for Lee Enfields, and are clearly identified as such. it says #### all about semi automatic, and point me to a Lee Enfield magazine greater than 10 rounds anyways to make your point even close to valid.

Also, point me to a Lee Enfield rifle in semi auto that was manufactured (not converted) that way for Canadian sale. Since they clearly wrote that law in respect to the semi auto Enfield as you keep stating.
 
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A small number of semi-auto enfields were manufactured and converted, resulting in the Charlton Automatic Rifles. They were meant to fill the gap somewhere between the Bren and Lewis guns, although most of them were destroyed after WWII, the rest belonging to museums or private collections. I don't think that a single one has ever touched Canadian soil. Still, it would be a nice piece for a collection. I doubt anyone could want >5 round mags badly enough to find a Charlton and begin manufacturing parts for it.

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WTF are you trying to argue? Lee Enfields can use 10-rd magazines, no greater. So can M14's since the mags are manufacture for Lee Enfields, and are clearly identified as such. it says #### all about semi automatic, and point me to a Lee Enfield magazine greater than 10 rounds anyways to make your point even close to valid.

Also, point me to a Lee Enfield rifle in semi auto that was manufactured (not converted) that way for Canadian sale. Since they clearly wrote that law in respect to the semi auto Enfield as you keep stating.
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^thank you, I am aware of the Charlton automatic rifles, which were converted Lee Enfields from New Zealand, and I agree about the lack of need to legislate its mag capacity. Hardly grounds to write gun law exceptions about in Canada considering their scope. Section 2 (a) (ii) seems to clearly be referring to the Lee Enfields we know and own here in Canada, of the bolt action variety. I won't waste my breath with VanEinstein any further, it's like talking to a liberal.
 
TT_270wsm said:
WTF are you trying to argue? Lee Enfields can use 10-rd magazines, no greater. So can M14's since the mags are manufacture for Lee Enfields, and are clearly identified as such. it says #### all about semi automatic, and point me to a Lee Enfield magazine greater than 10 rounds anyways to make your point even close to valid.

Also, point me to a Lee Enfield rifle in semi auto that was manufactured (not converted) that way for Canadian sale. Since they clearly wrote that law in respect to the semi auto Enfield as you keep stating.
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I will point out a Lee Enfield with more than 10 rounds. The Ishapore 2A1 Lee Enfield has a 10 OR 12 round 7.62x51 magazine.
 
As I recall it, this all grew out of former NFA Pres. David Tomlinson pointing out to the feds during the early days of bill C-17 that the Charlton used the same mags as the regular LE. (DAT was a real 5hit disturber...)
At that time, people hadnt keyed onto the words "designed for", so thought that if the LE fit an autoloading rifle it would have to be pinned to 5.
That is the only reason a bolt action mag is specifically "exempted", even though it does not need to be.
 
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