In my experience, the people who answer the phone at the RCMP firearms program are good honest folk. My reasons have been explained a couple times, so im not gonna repeat myself. Why would it be a bad idea... think the RCMP is gonna change the firearms act because I asked a question?
10 round Legal sks PICS
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In my experience, the people who answer the phone at the RCMP firearms program are good honest folk. My reasons have been explained a couple times, so im not gonna repeat myself. Why would it be a bad idea... think the RCMP is gonna change the firearms act because I asked a question?
Really? Recent example. One out of millions of SKSs produced could potentially fire full auto, rcmps knee jerk reaction? All SKSs are to be inspected!!
They screw gun owners on technicalities so yea, scuse me of i dont volunteer any information to them.
They screw gun owners on technicalities so yea, scuse me of i dont volunteer any information to them.
The only people that got a notice to inspect were in Quebec iirc and they still have a pseudo LGR, nobody else got a letter. Did you? Cause I sure didn't and it told you how to inspect and test it yourself.
Hey lone ranger, did you have to mill off the front lip below the chamber? i'm attempting this mod tomorrow and my magwell looks a little front of center.
In my rifle anyways, it looks like i can save the last round hold open feature if i take off a few tenth of an inch in thickness so it doesnt hit the rounds in the mag.
will keep yall posted on my progress.
In my rifle anyways, it looks like i can save the last round hold open feature if i take off a few tenth of an inch in thickness so it doesnt hit the rounds in the mag.
will keep yall posted on my progress.
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- Location
- south of winterpeg
Unfortunate that one has to do all this work to bring the gun to its original capacity ...
You can thank the demise of LGR for that. If the LGR was still active you bet your ass that we'd all be getting letters.
- Location
- south of winterpeg
no one came to my house to see if it was full auto, just moved out of Quebec... they just sent a letter telling you to check it yourself and call them if it could go full auto!
I was able to pull this mod off with my 52 russian.
Took a lot of fiddling, but after about 8 hours i managed to get it all fitted up and was able to mill the bolt hold open latch so that everything fits and functions. Honestly tho, unless you are hellbent on saving it, just pull it out and save 2-3 hours.
Did it all with rudimentary shop tools, a dremel, angle grinder, and a file.
I did have to sand the raised weld mark off the back of the mag at the top and sanded the front lip a tad only because it was snagging the casing edge, a common problem with these cheap xcr pistol mags im told.
I removed my firing pin and cycled it good and hard. functioned well. Thanks for the pictues OP, your guide was very helpfull.
Took a lot of fiddling, but after about 8 hours i managed to get it all fitted up and was able to mill the bolt hold open latch so that everything fits and functions. Honestly tho, unless you are hellbent on saving it, just pull it out and save 2-3 hours.
Did it all with rudimentary shop tools, a dremel, angle grinder, and a file.
I did have to sand the raised weld mark off the back of the mag at the top and sanded the front lip a tad only because it was snagging the casing edge, a common problem with these cheap xcr pistol mags im told.
I removed my firing pin and cycled it good and hard. functioned well. Thanks for the pictues OP, your guide was very helpfull.
First off, OP, terrific job!
It does definitely point out the absolute stupidity of the current regulations. All that work to return the sks to its original capacity. Two rifles side by side, one with this mod, and another with the original mag and one will be fine and the other prohibit.... :facepalm:
It does definitely point out the absolute stupidity of the current regulations. All that work to return the sks to its original capacity. Two rifles side by side, one with this mod, and another with the original mag and one will be fine and the other prohibit.... :facepalm:
shouldn't, you dont remove any metal where it matters.
Good for you. Ya, the bolt "hold open" is a real Pain in the butt. I took mine out. I had a Russian that has very little slag under the receiver....I should of went with it. Would have taken 1/2 the time and effort. Each sks is so different. I'll bet some rifles need next to nothing for fitment, and I'll bet some wont work at all. if I do this Mod again, it will be with a Hand Selected sks....now that I know what to look for. Its a Great mag-adapter, no complaints,..its just finding the RIGHT rifle for the build.
I'm really happy with the function. I have it fine tuned,..runs 100%
Ya, and what a CROCK....all this work just to make it a 10 shot again. friggen government.
heres a pic of mine
and also a pic showing where i sanded off the weld on the top of the mag. un-molested weld mark in the middle there. Yes, that much wiggle room made a difference. I couldnt take much more shoulder off my Bolt hold open unit.
1 out of 4 mags is just a tad off and doesn't easily lock in while the bolt is closed. The rest are fine.
and also a pic showing where i sanded off the weld on the top of the mag. un-molested weld mark in the middle there. Yes, that much wiggle room made a difference. I couldnt take much more shoulder off my Bolt hold open unit.
1 out of 4 mags is just a tad off and doesn't easily lock in while the bolt is closed. The rest are fine.
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Also, I finally got an answer from the RCMP;
Good afternoon Mr <removed>:
The question you posed to the Canadian Firearms Program, Specialized Firearms Support Services Section on Christmas Eve, has been forwarded to me for a response.
Let me identify myself and my job function to you. I hold the job position of Chief Firearms Technologist, technical authority in the subject area of assigning the applicable legal class to all firearms found on the Firearms Reference Table as well as prohibited devices and prohibited ammunition.
I work in the Specialized Firearms Support Services Section (SFSS) which is a component of the Firearms Investigative and Enforcement Services Directorate, RCMP - Canadian Firearms Program.
I am authorized to speak on behalf of the Specialized Firearms Support Services Section (SFSS).
I am unable to provide legal advice. If you require legal advice I recommend you consult a lawyer. I can however, give the rationalization and explanation of the manner in which the law is applied to devices such as cartridge magazines and the SFSS interpretation of the Regulations appended to the Criminal Code as they apply to these devices.
We normally do not deal with hypothetical situations such as the one you describe in your questions below; however, the possibilities you describe are more than likely ones which may be of interest to other members of the general public and the firearm owning population.
QUESTION GENERAL
Hi guys and gals.
I had a question regarding a new product that has came (sic) out.
I am familiar with the regs that state you are allowed to use Pistol mags with 10 round capacity in a rifle if they happen to fit and are designed for pistols only (see item 4);
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
AR family restricted rifle users have been using pistol mags and enjoying the use of legal 10 round capacity in .223 and 7.26x39. Here is an example of a retailer selling the magazine product that I would be interested in for this project.
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/de...-L-Micro-Pistol-762x39-10-Round-Magazine.aspx
There is a magwell adapter for the Simonov SKS rifle that allows fitting AR magazines into the SKS. The only issue is that you have to shave off the ridge on the back half an inch to allow for the bolt hold open feature to work. Also there is some needed removal of some of the front lips to allow clearance to the loading ramp.
SPECIFIC QUESTION
The big question I would like to know before I run off and buy this product is;
Is removing some metal from the rear and front lip of the pistol magazine to allow fitment to the magwell adapter going to change the magazine into a prohibited device? Keep in mind that the modifications do not change the ability of the magazine to hold more rounds than before.
ANSWER
When it becomes necessary to adjust the cartridge magazine to fit and function in the firearm in which you intend to use the cartridge magazine; you have in effect lost the exclusivity of design and remanufactured the cartridge magazine for a use beyond that which it was “designed and/or manufactured”. In which case the cartridge magazine is no longer exclusively designed or manufactured for use with a handgun. In such cases it is no longer a handgun cartridge magazine and must be reduced to a capacity of not more than five cartridges of the kind or type for which it was manufactured.
It has been almost seventeen years since the coming into force of the Firearms Act and the Regulations appended to the Criminal Code are in need of a review and a rewrite. Most of the firearms and devices which present challenges today were not in existence twenty years ago.
Hope this helps.
William Etter
William (Bill) Etter
Chief Firearms Technologist
Specialized Firearms Support Services
Firearms Investigative & Enforcement Services Directorate
RCMP - CFP
Policing Support Services
613-993-6684
Good afternoon Mr <removed>:
The question you posed to the Canadian Firearms Program, Specialized Firearms Support Services Section on Christmas Eve, has been forwarded to me for a response.
Let me identify myself and my job function to you. I hold the job position of Chief Firearms Technologist, technical authority in the subject area of assigning the applicable legal class to all firearms found on the Firearms Reference Table as well as prohibited devices and prohibited ammunition.
I work in the Specialized Firearms Support Services Section (SFSS) which is a component of the Firearms Investigative and Enforcement Services Directorate, RCMP - Canadian Firearms Program.
I am authorized to speak on behalf of the Specialized Firearms Support Services Section (SFSS).
I am unable to provide legal advice. If you require legal advice I recommend you consult a lawyer. I can however, give the rationalization and explanation of the manner in which the law is applied to devices such as cartridge magazines and the SFSS interpretation of the Regulations appended to the Criminal Code as they apply to these devices.
We normally do not deal with hypothetical situations such as the one you describe in your questions below; however, the possibilities you describe are more than likely ones which may be of interest to other members of the general public and the firearm owning population.
QUESTION GENERAL
Hi guys and gals.
I had a question regarding a new product that has came (sic) out.
I am familiar with the regs that state you are allowed to use Pistol mags with 10 round capacity in a rifle if they happen to fit and are designed for pistols only (see item 4);
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
AR family restricted rifle users have been using pistol mags and enjoying the use of legal 10 round capacity in .223 and 7.26x39. Here is an example of a retailer selling the magazine product that I would be interested in for this project.
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/de...-L-Micro-Pistol-762x39-10-Round-Magazine.aspx
There is a magwell adapter for the Simonov SKS rifle that allows fitting AR magazines into the SKS. The only issue is that you have to shave off the ridge on the back half an inch to allow for the bolt hold open feature to work. Also there is some needed removal of some of the front lips to allow clearance to the loading ramp.
SPECIFIC QUESTION
The big question I would like to know before I run off and buy this product is;
Is removing some metal from the rear and front lip of the pistol magazine to allow fitment to the magwell adapter going to change the magazine into a prohibited device? Keep in mind that the modifications do not change the ability of the magazine to hold more rounds than before.
ANSWER
When it becomes necessary to adjust the cartridge magazine to fit and function in the firearm in which you intend to use the cartridge magazine; you have in effect lost the exclusivity of design and remanufactured the cartridge magazine for a use beyond that which it was “designed and/or manufactured”. In which case the cartridge magazine is no longer exclusively designed or manufactured for use with a handgun. In such cases it is no longer a handgun cartridge magazine and must be reduced to a capacity of not more than five cartridges of the kind or type for which it was manufactured.
It has been almost seventeen years since the coming into force of the Firearms Act and the Regulations appended to the Criminal Code are in need of a review and a rewrite. Most of the firearms and devices which present challenges today were not in existence twenty years ago.
Hope this helps.
William Etter
William (Bill) Etter
Chief Firearms Technologist
Specialized Firearms Support Services
Firearms Investigative & Enforcement Services Directorate
RCMP - CFP
Policing Support Services
613-993-6684
