12(6) discount

marshall said:
Sorry, The rules must have changed since a few years ago.
I sold a Nazi marked PPK cw holster and 2 matching mags, to a US collector in the mid '90's and told him he would have trouble inporting it.
But he said he would get it in some how., Last I heard from him about 8 years later, he still had not got it thou U.S. customs.
Could he the Nazi thing, I forget. Wish I had it back, 2x the money now. BTW, he was a large collector and imported a lot of guns from here.
Has since passed on.
Marshall
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I seem to recall that the Walther pistols (PPK, etc) have been prohibited form import to the USA since about 1968. It was for that reason that Walther produced the PPK-S so that it would meet the US policy. I gather from the above story that that hasn't changed.
 
highlander said:
I seem to recall that the Walther pistols (PPK, etc) have been prohibited form import to the USA since about 1968. It was for that reason that Walther produced the PPK-S so that it would meet the US policy. I gather from the above story that that hasn't changed.
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You're absolutely right! The PPK is specifically prohibited by BATF, as are all ex-miliatary / ex-police firearms. So Nazi markings (usually indicated with Waffen Ampt stamps) would indicate military use, hence, ineligible no matter what.

There is a reason that some guns go for big premiums in the USA. It's usually because they had to be smuggled in, or brought in before the rule changes as bring backs by returning veterans, such as the PPK pistols.

Up until recently the wartime PPK could still be exported back to Germany, and it commanded a decent premium there. I'm not sure what the current rules are, but certainly someone here will have an idea. Most of Europe is becoming seriously idiotic though. When your population voluntarily disarms itself, you have a propaganda win. No need for armbands and jackboots, just lots of media and celebrity support.
 
also, full auto may not be exported to the US. The only full auto allowable for transfer are those that where in the american system before 1967 or so (+/- a few years, not sure of the exact date.)
 
Any exports to the states has to past the points system.
https://www.atf.gov/file/61591/download

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I've got a couple of 12(6) guns; probably more then I want, really. The most I would pay for one now would be in the $300 dollar range, unless it was something pretty special like a Luger. Really, unless there is a serious change in the laws regarding 12(6) guns (very unlikely) then why would someone pay big dollars for guns that are destined to become paperclips in the future.
 
CGS said:
I've got a couple of 12(6) guns; probably more then I want, really. The most I would pay for one now would be in the $300 dollar range, unless it was something pretty special like a Luger. Really, unless there is a serious change in the laws regarding 12(6) guns (very unlikely) then why would someone pay big dollars for guns that are destined to become paperclips in the future.
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Why buy anything other than life essentials then? You can't take anything with you. My father-in-law has more that he can't pass down then ones he can. He keeps buying them, he enjoys collecting them and learning about them. Sure, they most likely will be deactivated and then given to me, but then i'll still have that part of history.
 
I think the OP made a good point. My guess is that the "12(6) discount" is about 50%. I speak from experience; for a while now, I've been trying to sell four 12(6) guns (two very nice Webley's (0.455 Mk 5 and 0.38) and two lower quality, but good condition, nickel-plated "Saturday night specials" (in 0.32 cal)) and the "50% off" region is where some people will talk to me about them at guns shows! But no sales (yet). I am wondering if selling this low makes more sense than just waiting for the quite useless 12(6) rule to be scrapped... of course, pigs might fly!
I also fear that the cost of exporting them to the US would be as much as the "12(6) discount". BTW, does anyone have any ideas how to do this?
Cheers,
Roger
 
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The easiest is to have a buyer, then you do the paperwork to exportmit it to their importer (such as Leroy's Big Valley Gun Works).
you get a notice to say the gun was exported, send it in to the rcmp so they can remove it from the system

pretty simple, but time consuming
 
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