$16,600 Norc

The scope isn't mine and theres a difference between Night Vision and Thermo. Night vision shows everything in 1 colour and you can't use it in the day. Thermo can be used day or night because it picks body heat in any kind of zero visibility condition. This scope isn't illegal and for the guy/girl that owns absolutely everything, chances are he probably doesn't own anyhting like this. There are hand held devices for much cheaper but they are a long ways from being weapon mountable and with an adjustable reticle, let alone having a weapon system that can take pictures.

Once I've done load development, again, I'll post the results of what this Norc can do. It was a 3/4MOA gun while in a JAE stock so I wouldn't exactly call it a turd but to each his own I guess.
 
mooseisloose said:
you can't polish a turd! Its still a NORC!
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Ar180shooter said:
Yes you can!

But my question is if you can afford a $14,000 night vision scope, why can't you afford a $2500 Springfield M1A.

:popCorn:
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Hijack Alert!!!

I would have put my M1A Nork up against any Springfield. With a minimal tune up (under $20) would easily shoot 1MOA or under with match ammo. $2,500 vs $500= alot of ammo to shoot though a Nork.

It baffles me why people think that Nork's are junk...

Back to the original programming...

Sweet Nork. How heavy is it???
 
There are some Norcs I wouldn't touch but the M14 isn't built like the other Norcs. I'm sure theres a huge thread about the 2 different Norcs available and how one is superior over the other. Don't get me wrong, if a springfield had the accuracy of a bolt gun and it was undeniable, I'd own one but you have to buy an insanely expensive Springfield and it still wouldn't outshoot a Rem700 Police so tuned Springfield vs tuned Norc M14, mute point.
 
I would gladly put my M1A against any...and I mean any Norc...anyday! Don't even compare the quality and functionality of a Springfield No racial slurs
 
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ehntr said:
Hunting is not controlled at the Federal level nor are ranges.
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Hunting is generally provincial, however migratory birds is a federal aspect.

Range regulation is provinicial.

There are many outdoor ranges that are lit.
I know of several indoor ranges that are 24/7.
 
Polish-Jack said:
I never did understand the point of having a night vision scope in Canada. You can't use it (legally) and you can buy a superior hand held version for less.
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Farmers and ranchers in BC can shoot at night for livestock protection.

Boils down to there being no specific restrictions against discharge of a firearm at night, and that it is not "hunting", and is included under the livestock protection act. As told to me by a gent with a wolf problem, on a ranch north of Cache Creek.

I'd have that conversation with the CO's before embarking on the great packrat hunt, though.

Cheers
Trev
 
Polish-Jack said:
I never did understand the point of having a night vision scope in Canada. You can't use it (legally) and you can buy a superior hand held version for less.
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When you buy a Ferrari, you know you can't exceed the speed limit but it's nice to know you can. :D

Still don't understand why you'd put that kind of money into a Norinco. You could buy a nicer gun for that. I'd buy a DSR-1 for that kind of money...or just shoot a ton until the the biggest cause of global warming is my gun barrel and global leading becomes an international issue.
 
Yehen said:
When you buy a Ferrari, you know you can't exceed the speed limit but it's nice to know you can. :D

Still don't understand why you'd put that kind of money into a Norinco. You could buy a nicer gun for that.
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What would you buy that shoots a 308 round in a semi auto rifle that is non-resticted with the kind of fuctionality that is put together here, minus the optics of course because I didn't shell out for them. I would have bought a CZ858 but I already own one. Adjustable stock, bi-pod, rails the works. I think you'll find it's going to be hard to beat. Besides, I always wanted a Troy Ind stock and I guess I could have saved $200 by putting a solid non-adjustable stock on it also but if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right. Weight wise, I'm impressed at how light it is. My friend has a Noveske AR-10 (resticted) Nice gun. Shoots well. It's accurate but the gun was
$4100ish plus optics and it's quite heavy.
 
mooseisloose said:
I would gladly put my M1A against any...and I mean any Norc...anyday! Don't even compare the quality and functionality of a Springfield
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Do you have any 200yd or 300yd groups to show off. I don't doubt the Springfield M1A is a well put together gun, but let's see what kind of groups guys are able produce. Please don't post 100yd groups. Groups at that close a range are a waste of time when it comes to boasting about accuracy.
 
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mooseisloose said:
I would gladly put my M1A against any...and I mean any Norc...anyday! Don't even compare the quality and functionality of a Springfield
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Out of the box maybe.

Drop in a Kreiger barrel, ARMS 18 mount and a decent quality optic (I use a 3200 10x). Tune the trigger hungry style, shim or unitize the gas system, and bed it in a fibreglass stock.

All in all you'll spend maybe $1000 extra ($1500 total), develop a nice loading for it and I'll bet that norc will outshoot the out of box $2000 springfield M1A. With $500 for ammo to spare.
 
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Starscream said:
Out of the box maybe.

Drop in a Kreiger barrel, ARMS 18 mount and a decent quality optic (I use a 3200 10x). Tune the trigger hungry style, shim or unitize the gas system, and bed it in a fibreglass stock.

All in all you'll spend maybe $1000 extra ($1500 total), develop a nice loading for it and I'll bet that norc will outshoot the out of box $2000 springfield M1A. With $500 for ammo to spare.
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Mooseisloose..., the only thing Norc on some of my M14's is the receiver, but I'll bet they shoot as good or better than your Springfield for way less money spent...oh yeah, did I mention my Norc receiver is forged?
 
A good friend of mine spent a ton of time cutting and polishing the chamber on his krieger bbl. He did a good job on it for just reading a book and buying the necessary tools to do the job and we tried all kinds of ammo in it and found Fed Gold Metal 175gr shot a consistent 5/8" - 3/4" group in a JAE stock. The rest of the gun was Norc and he was sporting a Mk4 6.5-20x TMR.
There's no question, Norcs can shoot. Even my factory bbl was equally as accurate as his while in a proper stock. I even went as far as getting all of the cosmoleen (however it's spelled) sucked out of the #### stock in came with and fiberglassed over hoping it would stiffen the crap wood up enough that I wouldn't have to buy another stock but it still never helped. I also installed a McMillan adjustable cheek rest so that I could get a decent cheek weld and the gun was throwing a 6" group at 100yds. The only thing I changed was the stock. The gun and ammo was exactly the same as when I had it in the JAE stock.

I'm betting a lot of the Troy Ind stock in hopes that it will cure the accuracy problem.
 
It baffles me why people think that Nork's are junk...
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90 percent of the time, its somebody who has never had one. Any gunsmith worth his salt will tell you that a Norinco reciever is better made than a springfield. I guarantee you I can build a gun out of a Norc that will shoot just as well as the springfield and have 1000 dollars left for ammo.
 
My same friend had a Sage International stock and it was incredibly front heavy. I couldn't get a decent cheekweld either with a scope. They look cool but there was also not enough adjustability for length of pull and cheek also.
 
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