rifleman762
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17 WSM Rimfire Rifles Manufactures, where are they?
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Mine too.
But mine left me with some capabilities in reading comprehension that yours seems to have skipped.
Apropos to your earlier missive, but d'ya mind sharing with us where, in your delusional paranoid fantasies you came up with the idea that you would somehow be safer with you out there and me here?
Because really, you dragged a multi-months old thread up to the top of the pile to share that little half-witicism with us. If my opinion being different than yours, you see as some sort of threat, maybe guns is not a good hobby for you.
If it's a meds issue, maybe see it the Doc will up your meds. Or change them. Dementia kicking in? Or on the sauce? Which is OK, better to be drunk and stupid, than just stupid, I suppose.
You are under some impression that me being unwilling to spend the money on throw away cartridges, and a throw away rifle to shoot them, means the same thing as being unable to afford to.
I choose not to, as I can reload for that same money, and I don't find it a hardship doing so.
The cheap rifles (sorry, AFFORDABLE! LOL!) available in 17WSM so far are pretty homely things, and not at all cheap for being as ugly as they are, the expensive rifles are in direct competition with a far wider selection of similar priced rifles that give a far wider choice of options for styles and calibers, with reloadable cartridges to add to that equation.
But mine left me with some capabilities in reading comprehension that yours seems to have skipped.
Apropos to your earlier missive, but d'ya mind sharing with us where, in your delusional paranoid fantasies you came up with the idea that you would somehow be safer with you out there and me here?
Because really, you dragged a multi-months old thread up to the top of the pile to share that little half-witicism with us. If my opinion being different than yours, you see as some sort of threat, maybe guns is not a good hobby for you.
If it's a meds issue, maybe see it the Doc will up your meds. Or change them. Dementia kicking in? Or on the sauce? Which is OK, better to be drunk and stupid, than just stupid, I suppose.
You are under some impression that me being unwilling to spend the money on throw away cartridges, and a throw away rifle to shoot them, means the same thing as being unable to afford to.
I choose not to, as I can reload for that same money, and I don't find it a hardship doing so.
The cheap rifles (sorry, AFFORDABLE! LOL!) available in 17WSM so far are pretty homely things, and not at all cheap for being as ugly as they are, the expensive rifles are in direct competition with a far wider selection of similar priced rifles that give a far wider choice of options for styles and calibers, with reloadable cartridges to add to that equation.
I like the idea or rimfire hunting. Less restrictions, less sound, more areas to hunt because of. Also is you don't like your history being used (against you) you are probably wrong alot! Not saying I'm not, I learn all the time, correct myself when nessisary. But yes, limited options for a good round. Seen a few wsm17. Some bad some really good. (All savage) if I fell into one I would be happy but not actively pursuing one
In Ontario we have some restrictions to the use of centerfire rifles during open big game seasons and in some municipalities.
You cannot use a rimfire rifle though, so a 17 WSM with 400 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle makes for a very hard hitting rimfire. I don't know if I would ever get one, but there is a reason for it here.
The 17 HMR is almost half the energy, I honestly would probably lean toward the 22 WMR though.
The crazy part is, the 17 WSM case can be used as a parent case to get the 25 Stevens running again
If it's going for a CF, I'll take my 204 hands down anytime, but.....When you're set up in a pasture and the farthest shot is 200m in any direction, the 17 WSM is the right tool for the job. It's nice when you don't have to chase brass like a 17 Hornet. I've got 17M2's, 17 HMR's as well as a 17 Hornet and I go for the WSM most of all.
Having seen a few at the range, the quest for speed is often sacrificed for accuracy.
The only one's seen so far are the Savage.
The light bullets rarely match the claimed velocities.
The heavier bullets made more sense for a dairy farmer that wanted something for coyotes and ordered the 25 grain bullets.
The 17 WSM is a 17 HMR on steroids but testing the available ammo makes sense followed by knowing the drop and various distances.
The only one's seen so far are the Savage.
The light bullets rarely match the claimed velocities.
The heavier bullets made more sense for a dairy farmer that wanted something for coyotes and ordered the 25 grain bullets.
The 17 WSM is a 17 HMR on steroids but testing the available ammo makes sense followed by knowing the drop and various distances.
Hans Slayer posted a link to a site that has a rundown on the various rifles available, in post #22 in this thread.
You have right now, Savage, Winchester with the 1885 Low Wall, and Volquartsen with their toggle action repeater.
Ruger also, looks like they did some jiggery-pokery with the 77 Hornet model and converted it to a rimfire.
Most of the manufacturers seem to be staying away in droves. Which seems a little odd to me, given that most of them could pretty easily do what Ruger did with one of their Hornet models.
the 17wsm hasn't really taken off - was looking at the cartridge (have a 17hmr) was recommended to stay with the HMR unless you want to be a little different - don't misread this post I do like the 17wsm just wished CZ or Tikka would make a rifle for it.
And I would choose the Hornet over the rimfire, because of the options reloading gives me.
Saw that the 15.whatever grain nontoxic NTX bullets are out there as an option now. I figure they would do a real number on pretty much any varmint they were used on.
If the export restrictions actually lighten up, getting bullets out of the excited states might become an option again. Other than rimfire stuff, the only factory rolled stuff I have bought in the last couple dozen years has been shot shells.
The funny thing with the 15.5 NTX is it cost more for a box of 100 component bullets than it does 100 rounds of 17 Mach 2 with the same projectile, ridiculous. I have a 17 Hornet, and mine shoots the factory 20's and 15.5's amazingly well. The speed of the 15's really catches your eye, but if you run the ballistics on them, the 20's match the 15's speed at 75 yards. Anything further than that and the 15's are a lot slower than the 20's. So if you're looking for on target effect at 50 yards with your Hornet, shoot 15's.
I wanted a 17wsm since I heard they were coming out with them. But waiting years for a decent quality one to be produced without spending over a grand, I got a great deal on a 204 in the meantime and already own an HMR so the urge for the WSM went away since it wont do anything that isn't covered by the 2 I already have.
