17 WSM Rimfire Rifles Manufactures, where are they?

[trevj]

The funny thing with the 15.5 NTX is it cost more for a box of 100 component bullets than it does 100 rounds of 17 Mach 2 with the same projectile, ridiculous. I have a 17 Hornet, and mine shoots the factory 20's and 15.5's amazingly well. The speed of the 15's really catches your eye, but if you run the ballistics on them, the 20's match the 15's speed at 75 yards. Anything further than that and the 15's are a lot slower than the 20's. So if you're looking for on target effect at 50 yards with your Hornet, shoot 15's.

Around here it's likely to be starlings and the odd magpie. No gophers to speak of, that are very local.

I see, speaking of component bullet prices, that Midsouth Shooter supply is selling bulk 20 grain hollowpoints for ~$45US for 500. Maybe they will be available to us, if the changes to the export regs pan out to a more relaxed border.

 

[trevj]

I wanted a 17wsm since I heard they were coming out with them. But waiting years for a decent quality one to be produced without spending over a grand, I got a great deal on a 204 in the meantime and already own an HMR so the urge for the WSM went away since it wont do anything that isn't covered by the 2 I already have.

Careful man, some folks start getting their panties inna bunch when you start raising the whole price issue! LOL!

Yeah, a .17 wont do anything any better or worse than what I already have, but I will have a Hornet based one before almost anything else. My preference. Unless something else catches my eye in the meantime... There are a couple small widcats out there that are pretty interesting, but I'd kind of like to stay with a rimmed cartridge to avoid extraction issues on the Martini I have set aside for this.

 

[Longstud]

Well I’ve licked my wounds from the hurtful words of the illustrious “trevj”. This of course coming from a drunken pill popping old geezer with dimentia! In case everyone doesn’t know, he can reload. Wow! Think I just found a new hero. With my limited education I have a hard time differentiating between rimfire and centerfire. I must be mistaken but I thought this was a rimfire post on the rimfire forum and not a 17 hornet sales pitch. Want a centerfire varmit round ? Just get a 204 Ruger and the quest is over unless obviously you can reload 17 hornet. Now that’s funny

 

[trevj]

Well I’ve licked my wounds from the hurtful words of the illustrious “trevj”. This of course coming from a drunken pill popping old geezer with dimentia! In case everyone doesn’t know, he can reload. Wow! Think I just found a new hero. With my limited education I have a hard time differentiating between rimfire and centerfire. I must be mistaken but I thought this was a rimfire post on the rimfire forum and not a 17 hornet sales pitch. Want a centerfire varmit round ? Just get a 204 Ruger and the quest is over unless obviously you can reload 17 hornet. Now that’s funny

You have anything to add that isn't just butthurt whining?

If you recall, it was you that started with the whining, not me.

Funny enough, you actually saw fit to start, by dragging a months-old post up to the top in order to have a temper tantrum over it. Congrats on the snappy comeback!

It's the internet. Maybe you are simply unclear on the concept, but sometimes the talk drifts off in different directions.

If you want to act a little like and adult, you will be treated as such. But if you want to act like an idiot child, I'll happily treat you as such.

What are you gonna do. Take your ball and go home to sulk?

 

[FarmerDanz]

A classic bout of fisticuffs would settle this. Lol

 

[Donny Fenn1]

I bought a Ruger 77/17 and it was crap. I changed the trigger, bedded it, crowned it and still was plagued with first shot flyers 1.5" away from the group at 50 yards. I put it in the safe and bought a Savage Bmag.....most ridiculous action design ever, seriously what the heck were they thinking. The Bmag outshot the Ruger easily. I ended up putting Boyds pro varmint stocks on both rifles and the Ruger got a .920" straight Lilja barrel. Now the Ruger is a solid 3/4" gun at 100, but it took a pile of money to get there. The plus side is the action is normal, the trigger is a 1lb and awesome (Jard) and it is very accurate. The Savage shoots okay, but nowhere near what the Ruger does, but it cost about one quarter what I have into the Ruger.

If only a Canadian company renowned for building laser beam center fire rifles would branch out into high end rimfire. Or as a compromise make a real short action center fire based on the 223 case, maybe it could be called the Fox to go with their other canine names. (yes i know this is the rimfire forum don't flame me)

 

[trevj]

A classic bout of fisticuffs would settle this. Lol

No, he'd likely run off and whine about being threatened.

Far better that he just get on with his life and talk about guns, like the rest of us have been trying to.

Might keep him from blowing a vein too.

I still see the whole plot plan for the .17WSM as being too narrow a niche to really catch on all that well. If Winchester believed their own brochures, you would sort of expect them to have at least a couple different options in their own lineup that chambered it, rather than just the one, and that one not exactly being the hot seller.
Given that there has not been a stellar response from the other manufacturers in the mainstream, apparently I am not the only one seeing this.
CZ, could quite easily adapt any of their Hornet models, but they have not. As could pretty much any of the other makers.

No telling for sure, but it sure looks to me like a bit of a dud, sales wise. Maybe it'll pick up more of a mainstream following, or it will go the same way the 5mm Remington did.

At least the Remington 5mm guns were chambered in a strong enough action that it could be adapted to shoot various small centerfire rounds. That action was supposedly proofed to 60ksi, though it did need to be threaded for a proper barrel to take advantage of its strength.

 

[trevj]

If only a Canadian company renowned for building laser beam center fire rifles would branch out into high end rimfire. Or as a compromise make a real short action center fire based on the 223 case, maybe it could be called the Fox to go with their other canine names. (yes i know this is the rimfire forum don't flame me)

Take a look at the .223 Short, or the .22 TCM, either of which gets you that small case capacity based on a dead nuts common cartridge case that would be pretty interesting in a rifle scaled to match.
Likely to be commercially available, probably not.

 

[Planetmail 12]

I am looking to purchase a 17 wsm, ruger sells one model only 77/17 and get this $1000, right, savage starts at $450 and up depending on what features you want which is fine if you can find one.
Winchester came out with this rimfire cartridge 6 years ago.
Have the following rimfire manufactures fallen asleep or what?

winchester
remington/marlin
cz
henry
chiappa
browning
zastava
tikka
mossberg

Two of the best 17WSM manufacturer's are Franklin Armory which makes 5 versions of the F17, my favorite is the F17-X. AR15 style rifles with 30rd magazines, which means restricted here in Canada. If it wasn't restricted, I'd own one.
The second one, equally pricey, is the Volquartsen Semi-Auto 17 WSM Rifle. 8rd mags but this one is non-restricted.

Take a look at the .223 Short, or the .22 TCM, either of which gets you that small case capacity based on a dead nuts common cartridge case that would be pretty interesting in a rifle scaled to match.
Likely to be commercially available, probably not.

22 TCM...is that even available in Canada?? I'm told it is not and that there is only one manufacturer of such rounds.

 

[rifleman762]

Take a look at the .223 Short, or the .22 TCM, either of which gets you that small case capacity based on a dead nuts common cartridge case that would be pretty interesting in a rifle scaled to match.
Likely to be commercially available, probably not.

I have the dies for 22 TCM. I first run a 223 case through a 7.62x25 die and then anneal before sizing in the 22 TCM. The cases should then be neck turned because they are REALLY thick. I still haven't built a rifle for it, just a pile of brass. Too many projects .

 

[trevj]

Two of the best 17WSM manufacturer's are Franklin Armory which makes 5 versions of the F17, my favorite is the F17-X. AR15 style rifles with 30rd magazines, which means restricted here in Canada. If it wasn't restricted, I'd own one.
The second one, equally pricey, is the Volquartsen Semi-Auto 17 WSM Rifle. 8rd mags but this one is non-restricted.



22 TCM...is that even available in Canada?? I'm told it is not and that there is only one manufacturer of such rounds.

I think the TCM is pretty much a reloaders only option up here North of the line. It's based off a cut down .223 case, necked down and length set by the max OAL that would fit in a .38 Super mag, if I recall correctly.

I have not heard anything stellar about the TCM rifle, but the round looks to me to have some possibilities if a fella was willing to do some tinkering. Reamers should be about as easy to get as any other.

How many of those VQ guns d'ya think will ever sell into Canada? Enough to keep production lines running so as to motivate folks to keep the ammo in stock? VQ at least likely has a plan as to how they can sell their buyers the conversion parts to be able to shoot ammo they CAN get, though.
If the Oil Patch was up and booming, I could see a fair few going out the door at places like Prophet River, but as things are these days, not so much. Pricewise they are getting to the level where you really have to have a strong desire to have one, over choosing from say Anchutz, or Cooper, or their levels in the food chain.
And yeah, hear ya, re: "IF" they were not restricted.

 

[Donny Fenn1]

Take a look at the .223 Short, or the .22 TCM, either of which gets you that small case capacity based on a dead nuts common cartridge case that would be pretty interesting in a rifle scaled to match.
Likely to be commercially available, probably not.

I'm happy with commonly available cartridges based on the 223, it was more an appeal to PGW to make an actual short action.

 

[Mike112288]

Often the things that seem hard to get make us chase after them more and act like it’s somehow better or more special. 223 and 204 are fantastic rounds. Own one. Own a few rimfire too. Wouldn’t bother with something you can hardly get ammo for it that has a big chance of drying up on the market. Especially when you can’t reload for it.

 

[Fox]

Often the things that seem hard to get make us chase after them more and act like it’s somehow better or more special. 223 and 204 are fantastic rounds. Own one. Own a few rimfire too. Wouldn’t bother with something you can hardly get ammo for it that has a big chance of drying up on the market. Especially when you can’t reload for it.

Ontario's no centerfire hunting laws for small game make a niche for this cartridge. The 17 WSM has about 1.5X the energy of the 22 WMR at 100 yards, I can see the point of having it.

 

[Mike112288]

Yeah that def makes it more attractive for you Ontario peeps then

 

[trevj]

Ontario's no centerfire hunting laws for small game make a niche for this cartridge. The 17 WSM has about 1.5X the energy of the 22 WMR at 100 yards, I can see the point of having it.

Yeah. That is at least a reasonable purpose.

At least until the powers decide that there has been an end run done around their restriction in the first place and they either disqualify it by name, or just drop the whole rimfire only clause.

Y'all in Ontario got stuck with lots of really dumb rules.

 

[Fox]

Yeah. That is at least a reasonable purpose.

At least until the powers decide that there has been an end run done around their restriction in the first place and they either disqualify it by name, or just drop the whole rimfire only clause.

Y'all in Ontario got stuck with lots of really dumb rules.

They used to have it as no centerfire, then they changed it to no rifle over 400 ft lbs of energy and now they have changed it back to no centerfire. A 32-20 has less energy than a 17 WSM and 22 WMR yet heaven forbid you use that for small game where there is a big game season.

Funny thing though, in North Eastern Ontario there are no deer, or almost no deer, yet they have a very long open season for them. Since I have a deer hunting license for Ontario I can walk around during the deer, moose and bear season in NE Ontario with buckshot and slugs on my person while hunting grouse and I meet all legal requirements to do so, even if there is an open moose hunting season and I do not have that license. I like to keep heavy loads while hunting out of cell phone range, just in case I need to spend a night or two in the bush due to an injury, just call it wolf deterrent.

 

[Longstud]

Yeah. That is at least a reasonable purpose.

At least until the powers decide that there has been an end run done around their restriction in the first place and they either disqualify it by name, or just drop the whole rimfire only clause.

Y'all in Ontario got stuck with lots of really dumb rules.

Complaining about me opening an old post! Kindah funny since you’ve put more posts on it than anybody. Or has the expiry date already happened. Suppose you haven’t noticed how many year old posts there are that are constantly renewed, guess that makes all those posters idiots according to you as well. I will not run home with my ball but I will shove it up ur XL ass.

 

[trevj]

Complaining about me opening an old post! Kindah funny since you’ve put more posts on it than anybody. Or has the expiry date already happened. Suppose you haven’t noticed how many year old posts there are that are constantly renewed, guess that makes all those posters idiots according to you as well. I will not run home with my ball but I will shove it up ur XL ass.

Oh FFS! You again?

All you have done is snivel, and now it's threats. You must be about the least cheery prick in your old folks home.

Love the timely reaction. What happened, you have to write a letter off to your last remaining friend to come up with as snappy an answer as that.

Necro-posts happen a lot. That's the name for digging up something so old it really should be in the hands of an archaeologist (look up the big words if you are having trouble). People get ridiculed for it too. A lot. But especially the weak minds that see fit to drag an old post up to the top to simply complain about what someone else said.

I don't think you have it in you old man. LOL! Remember, if you try long steps, you'll trip on yer walker!

 

[Longstud]

You have no idea the pleasure youve provided me by being so easy to agitate. I would explain it, but doubt it would be in your realm of comprehension. Oh wow, words more than five letters and never even looked it up in a dictionary. Panties in a bunch about cost coming from the cheap #### that won’t pay $18 bucks for a box of fifty rounds. Pot callin the kettle black. We already have covered the ball. Run and complain about being threatened is what you say as well as guessing my age without knowing anything about me.
I wish you a long and prosperous life. Cheers Chris.