1911 9mm Jammed up BIG TIME! Again! UPDATE 12/9 WTF! 3rd time!
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^^^^ This first but I suspect something else is going on..
I have yet to own a gun that doesn't like reloads. All of my guns don't like out of spec ammunition. There's a difference. I reload. I reload to the spec for any given cartridge and fine tune my ammunition to my guns. I have found a COAL and powder weight that works for all of my 9mms for example. Is it the perfect round for any one gun? No. But it works well in all of them. Reloads are not a problem, out of spec ammo is. Not all reloads are out of spec.
I’m curious what bullet weight (115 or 124) you were using when the problem first occurred in the original post.
Also, you mention this last time that the first mag cycled fine, was it the same ammo as the second mag? 1911s are fussy about what mag is used. Number your mags so you know if one acts differently and can keep track. I had one mag that would cause me grief in my 1911. I compared it to the other and could see where it was slightly different so I matched them up and no more issues.
Try the empty mag well test. Load a full mag into the gun and chamber a round, remove the mag and fire that round. Note how and where it ejects (a camera helps). Load another round the same way and repeat until you’ve emptied the magazine. All rounds should eject roughly the same and none of them should fall into the empty magazine well. This will check your extractor tension and your ejector profile and help focus on where the problem is.
As for the extractor test you say you did. The empty case SHOULD fall out on its own with a good smack to the slide but will hold in place with light to moderate shaking.
This is a good video on that and explains the extractor a little.
This is a very good read on the subject.
http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=131
Good luck, I know it can be frustrating when these things don’t work. They’re actually quite simple firearms but can be fussy at times.
Also, you mention this last time that the first mag cycled fine, was it the same ammo as the second mag? 1911s are fussy about what mag is used. Number your mags so you know if one acts differently and can keep track. I had one mag that would cause me grief in my 1911. I compared it to the other and could see where it was slightly different so I matched them up and no more issues.
Try the empty mag well test. Load a full mag into the gun and chamber a round, remove the mag and fire that round. Note how and where it ejects (a camera helps). Load another round the same way and repeat until you’ve emptied the magazine. All rounds should eject roughly the same and none of them should fall into the empty magazine well. This will check your extractor tension and your ejector profile and help focus on where the problem is.
As for the extractor test you say you did. The empty case SHOULD fall out on its own with a good smack to the slide but will hold in place with light to moderate shaking.
This is a good video on that and explains the extractor a little.
This is a very good read on the subject.
http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=131
Good luck, I know it can be frustrating when these things don’t work. They’re actually quite simple firearms but can be fussy at times.
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I have shot and sold a few NP29's worked fine, but this is a Colt, I must have missed the post on the extractor.
I still suggest check with new ammo. some guns are different with some ammo, but that should not jam them up where you need a hammer.
BTW , hammers are last resort
Could you post picture of the parts, link, chamber, barrel hood, etc hard to fix a gun by pictures, but we could have a suggestion
P.S. I just looked at some of the dates on this post.
This started back months ago, still not working?
Do not use a hammer and a vice to take a gun apart.
Something is buggered. If you don't know what is wrong get a gunsmith, otherwise you will end up with a bunch of parts that are worthless.
I have shot and sold a few NP29's worked fine, but this is a Colt, I must have missed the post on the extractor.
I still suggest check with new ammo. some guns are different with some ammo, but that should not jam them up where you need a hammer.
BTW , hammers are last resort
Could you post picture of the parts, link, chamber, barrel hood, etc hard to fix a gun by pictures, but we could have a suggestion
P.S. I just looked at some of the dates on this post.
This started back months ago, still not working?
Do not use a hammer and a vice to take a gun apart.
Something is buggered. If you don't know what is wrong get a gunsmith, otherwise you will end up with a bunch of parts that are worthless.
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Interesting you say its the link. I had a brand new trubor that locked up like you described on a number of occasions when running it in. The guide rod was twisting and wedging itself between the frame and barrel, the result was either a half open locked up slide or it locked open and i could push the slide foward and backwards but without any spring tension present. 2 months later the link broke.
Post #28 shows the following that I see
The jam is caused by a live round, the main suspect is the barrel link, .look at the angle of the round that caused the lock up. Probable cause the link is too long.
not ammo 100%, as if it was factory aluminum, it should be SAMMI specification, therefore should work in all pistols.
Recoil spring looks like the proper length
not the barrel to slide lock up, or you should see the barrel links rounded off or show signs of wear.
the extracter should not be the issue, as it seems to hold the spent casing, if its tension is wrong, it should cause failure to eject/extract or stovepipes.
it has something to do with the angle of the feeeed ramp or lockup for sure. If it was the feedramp it would cause a different type of failure also.
IIRC theree were 6 different sizs of barrel links, look closely, see if you can see what number is on the link, I think #3 is factory.
gun has been modified also, as the trigger is not factory. Without close examination this is my educated guess.
like i said before, cycle the pistol on a empty chamber, and see if you feel it grab just before it locks into the fire position.
The jam is caused by a live round, the main suspect is the barrel link, .look at the angle of the round that caused the lock up. Probable cause the link is too long.
not ammo 100%, as if it was factory aluminum, it should be SAMMI specification, therefore should work in all pistols.
Recoil spring looks like the proper length
not the barrel to slide lock up, or you should see the barrel links rounded off or show signs of wear.
the extracter should not be the issue, as it seems to hold the spent casing, if its tension is wrong, it should cause failure to eject/extract or stovepipes.
it has something to do with the angle of the feeeed ramp or lockup for sure. If it was the feedramp it would cause a different type of failure also.
IIRC theree were 6 different sizs of barrel links, look closely, see if you can see what number is on the link, I think #3 is factory.
gun has been modified also, as the trigger is not factory. Without close examination this is my educated guess.
like i said before, cycle the pistol on a empty chamber, and see if you feel it grab just before it locks into the fire position.
O.K. I missed this page, I would not buy parts till you know what the problem is, But Mad cow has good advice, what does it feel like when you cycle it by hand , no ammo, mag, hammer back, should be smooth.
Looks like the ammo is not the problem is you are using new, you did check the chamber ?
If you are buying parts , brownell's has info on what weight of springs are for which guns, I forget on the commanders, get a set, light, standard, heavy, better to be too heavy, too light, hammers the gun.
get a couple extractors, just to have, you can adjust them if holding too tight, that will not fix this problem.
Set of links if you don't know what is in there, I would suggest a bushing and plug as that one looks kind of beat.
Looks like the ammo is not the problem is you are using new, you did check the chamber ?
If you are buying parts , brownell's has info on what weight of springs are for which guns, I forget on the commanders, get a set, light, standard, heavy, better to be too heavy, too light, hammers the gun.
get a couple extractors, just to have, you can adjust them if holding too tight, that will not fix this problem.
Set of links if you don't know what is in there, I would suggest a bushing and plug as that one looks kind of beat.
Happened again! Exact same thing again as I originally posted, this time was using factory 9mm 115 g federal aluminum ammo
I know I know , maybe it happened cause of the cheap aluminum ammo, but I'm not buying it, something is wrong with the gun, it ate a full mag of 9 rounds, then it jammed up again on the 3rd round thru the second mag.
I did the extractor test and the empty case is does not fall off and doesn't fall when I shake the slide in every direction
If it's not extractor, you guys think it could need a new recoil spring?
If so how many pound spring?
Like many others said. Barrel link?
As I have mostly 115 grain and 124 grain ammo
Any help would be appreciated I want this running minty and flawless!
I'm going to be a part order for it, but don't know what to buy and how many parts i should throw at this gun
Thanks in advance
I see the opposite to be honest. You can see the front edge of the case in fact. There is not projectile in it. Unless the pic was staged to demonstrate it looks to me like a spent case is jamming it.
first off, id like to thank you all for these detailed replies its much apprciate!
Just got back from the range, brought some 124g blazer brass, and some 147g winchester ranger sxt, all factory not reloads
thought id try the 147g first, loaded up 9 rounds, and on the first f****** round JAMMED!, this cannot be an ammo issue
madcow: i do feel slide grab about 3/4 of the way thru racking it empty.
marshall: yes there is a replacement trigger, like you say the guy might of not know what he was doing, and messed with other things
betty-lou: jammed on spent round, its the empty shell casing that jammed it up
McHoss: 124g reloads from custom reloading was what i was using the first time it jammed months ago, it ate a full mag of federal 115g aluminum ammo last weekend, then 3 rounds into the second mag of the 115g aluminum ammo it jammed, i only own a total of (1) mag for this gun, i have not tried the empty mag well test that you said to do, but will later this week, i didnt smack the slide to see if the empty case will fall when i did the extractor test, will try that later this week, thx for the video post
marshall: this gun jams up so bad its a 2 person job to get the spent casing out, i need hold the gun, press the plug, while my brother holds a chunk or brass and taps the barrel bushing to begin to take this thing apart, i will post more pics of what you requested later this week, its in the safe all jammed up, i cant deal with it right now, im off to work in a few hours.
mchoss: thanks for pic of the spring, will double check for correct length soon
enefgee: will check the lugs and reply soon thank you
madcow: i was in the middle of taking detailed pics last night and then something came up, i gotta go thru this again, closley read everything you stated, ill post the 4 of the barrel link , one is blurry, ill check for a number 3, the trigger is actually the lightest i felt in any pistol ive owned or shot in my entire life, its a crazy hair trigger gotta be 3 to 4lb pull at the most, its nuts
mchoss the pictures i have posted are of the gun jammed up, nothing is staged
i gotta leave it here for now, i thank you guys for all the info, and will be looking into this further during the week and will post my findings, you guys are awesome, the info and suggestions you have provided are excellent!
this is a pic of my first round of the day
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Just got back from the range, brought some 124g blazer brass, and some 147g winchester ranger sxt, all factory not reloads
thought id try the 147g first, loaded up 9 rounds, and on the first f****** round JAMMED!, this cannot be an ammo issue
madcow: i do feel slide grab about 3/4 of the way thru racking it empty.
marshall: yes there is a replacement trigger, like you say the guy might of not know what he was doing, and messed with other things
betty-lou: jammed on spent round, its the empty shell casing that jammed it up
McHoss: 124g reloads from custom reloading was what i was using the first time it jammed months ago, it ate a full mag of federal 115g aluminum ammo last weekend, then 3 rounds into the second mag of the 115g aluminum ammo it jammed, i only own a total of (1) mag for this gun, i have not tried the empty mag well test that you said to do, but will later this week, i didnt smack the slide to see if the empty case will fall when i did the extractor test, will try that later this week, thx for the video post
marshall: this gun jams up so bad its a 2 person job to get the spent casing out, i need hold the gun, press the plug, while my brother holds a chunk or brass and taps the barrel bushing to begin to take this thing apart, i will post more pics of what you requested later this week, its in the safe all jammed up, i cant deal with it right now, im off to work in a few hours.
mchoss: thanks for pic of the spring, will double check for correct length soon
enefgee: will check the lugs and reply soon thank you
madcow: i was in the middle of taking detailed pics last night and then something came up, i gotta go thru this again, closley read everything you stated, ill post the 4 of the barrel link , one is blurry, ill check for a number 3, the trigger is actually the lightest i felt in any pistol ive owned or shot in my entire life, its a crazy hair trigger gotta be 3 to 4lb pull at the most, its nuts
mchoss the pictures i have posted are of the gun jammed up, nothing is staged
i gotta leave it here for now, i thank you guys for all the info, and will be looking into this further during the week and will post my findings, you guys are awesome, the info and suggestions you have provided are excellent!
this is a pic of my first round of the day
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The cases are mint after I clear the jam, I'm not too much of a gunsmith, I just know basic year down, and cleaning, I don't know how to tell if the firing pin is jamming and hitting the primer before it locks up ?
Trigger won't cause the slide to jam up, it will either be a dead trigger or a trigger that wont reset.
If you have access to a vernier caliper, measure the barrel hood length, locking lug depth for us there bubba. It looks and sounds like the timing is out.
Also take a picture of the frame where the barrel lug sits, 1 extreme case i have seen is that the frame had been abused/neglected and the barrel was able to rotate on its own axis thus locking everything up.
If you have access to a vernier caliper, measure the barrel hood length, locking lug depth for us there bubba. It looks and sounds like the timing is out.
Also take a picture of the frame where the barrel lug sits, 1 extreme case i have seen is that the frame had been abused/neglected and the barrel was able to rotate on its own axis thus locking everything up.
I can get a caliper, and the pics of what you requested hopefully soon, you say timing could be out, hmmm interesting, wonder what the cost of that would be to adjust?
With my luck this could be the second extreme case
Thanks for your reply and insight into this !
