1st IPSC-USA National Championship Ohio
- Thread starter SquibLoad
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- Location
- Halifax - NS
Maybe if I was in Southern Ontario, making the drive cheap, but otherwise - I wouldn't bother.
It's the only L3 on their calendar for the past couple of years - A one day match with 11 stages shot regurgitating an existing USPSA match's setup. Our provincial championships involve more effort.
Of course that level of effort easily equates to who's running it.
This is what the co-match director of this match wrote in this forum...
They are a region with 15K members +; so I expect a little more.
I doubt this one's going to be much to remember.
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Sean, I think you andKyle need to bury the hatchet, if he didn't actually think IPSC had a place in the US, he wouldn't be putting on a match. The main purpose of the US IPSC Nationals is for team selection for the upcoming worlds, like the last round of IPSC matches held there. It would be nice if it was a bigger match, but they do have their own Nationals to worry about too. They probably could have run it concurently with the other match they were having and allow the participants to sign up under either USPSA or IPSC, but the logistics and paperwork would be a nightmare. I think they should be applauded for at least trying to have some IPSC ruled matches in the US, it would be much easier to just not bother.
- Location
- Halifax - NS
Sorry Pat - it's not going to happen - I'm calling this one as I see it - a half-assed effort - too little - too late.
I know a lot of the background behind this L3 and the people in IPSC who have interacted with Kyle.
Far more of a wide perspective than you have of your friend.
I'd rather not have my membership paying big bucks to go to what's billed as a "Nationals" and find themself at a what I'd put on as a club match, so I'll tell it like I see it.
I know a lot of the background behind this L3 and the people in IPSC who have interacted with Kyle.
Far more of a wide perspective than you have of your friend.
I'd rather not have my membership paying big bucks to go to what's billed as a "Nationals" and find themself at a what I'd put on as a club match, so I'll tell it like I see it.
It's sad, but we need to get over it. IPSC and USPSA are at best brothers who periodicly pose for family pictures. They look alike, and they act similar, but they are not identical twins and we need to quit getting bent over that fact.
Let's shoot and have fun. After all, we've always got IDPA to mock and ridicule.........
Let's shoot and have fun. After all, we've always got IDPA to mock and ridicule.........
I thought about staying off this thread. I probably should, but what the heck. Maybe some will find it entertaining or educational.
As Co-Match Director, I have interacted with exactly ONE official from IPSC. Just one. I believe he is the head of the stage approval committee. He pointed out changes and tweaks for our 11 IPSC stages. We happily made most all of those changes. And, 10 of those 11 stages were approved. One stage wasn't, and we went around a bit on it. And, to this day, I am still unclear on exactly what wasn't good to go in the original version.
I debated quite a bit on how to proceed. Over a number of days, I consulted with our President and Vice-President...my Area Director/BOD member who is also a RM(I) [and happens to be the official that will be running the stage]...our match RM...another LIII (IPSC & USPSA) MD/TD...and a few of our CRO''s and RO's that are helping to organize the match.
I actually got a head-ache (which never happens, but I was out of coffee ) and burned up most of a week on this one stage. In the end, as Co-Match Director, it came to me to make a call...we needed to move on. We felt like we had a pretty good stage and we weren't clear on what might not be legal about it. I made the call that I would consult with our match organizers when we were at the club that weekend, to see if we were going to have the extra props and all that was needed to come up with a different stage. If not, then we were simple going to have to pull it and just go with 10 stages instead of 11. (The score sheets were on order...so we were kinda locked into the round count, and we already are borrowing props from neighboring clubs.)
For some reason, the fact that we might just drop the stage from the match generated a bit of activity. We found a solution that everybody could agree on, And, the 11th stage was approved along with the other 10. The match organizers approved, the IPSC stage approval committee signed off, and our RD signed off. The LIII approval form is now properly displayed at the range and we are more than moving along nicely with the match.
Whew.
As for the apparent bad blood between you (FV) and I...?
As far as I know, the only place that you and I have interacted is on this very forum. And, that is free for anybody to look up. When we had our little spat I had no clue who you were. I thought you were another guy on the internet that disliked Glocks, and...as a bonus...didn't seem to have much love for USPSA either. I had no clue you were the Regional Director, representing IPSC Canada.
Would that have made a difference? Yeah...probably. I wouldn't have exchanged nut kicks with you had I known you were kinda backed into a corner.
Well, the guys and gals at this club do put on a heck of a club match!!
The IPSC match is, as mentioned, 11 stages and over 200 rounds. And, if you can also make the LIII Ohio USPSA match, that is another 10 stages and over 200 more rounds. 21 stages and 400+ rounds...not a bad weekend. Plus, we are going to run a shoot-off side match on Saturday, after the Ohio USPSA match. And, later that night, and informal get-together to bend elbows around the bon-fire.
I should probably mention that...I did get an email from a Canadian shooter that is attending. He had been told that all we were doing to switch over from the USPSA match to the IPSC match was to change the paper targets out. That is not the case. While we do have to work with the many of the props we have...we are shooters first... I highly suggest making a good, fresh, stage plan before shooting. You'll need it. (even if you do recognize a few props from the day before)
Note: Saturday's USPSA is full and we have a waiting list. The USPSA match on Friday, with the staff, has openings.
There are still openings for the IPSC match on Sunday.
match info/apps here: http://www.lchico5u.com/ohio_ipsc.html
I know a lot of the background behind this L3 and the people in IPSC who have interacted with Kyle.
Far more of a wide perspective than you have of your friend.
As Co-Match Director, I have interacted with exactly ONE official from IPSC. Just one. I believe he is the head of the stage approval committee. He pointed out changes and tweaks for our 11 IPSC stages. We happily made most all of those changes. And, 10 of those 11 stages were approved. One stage wasn't, and we went around a bit on it. And, to this day, I am still unclear on exactly what wasn't good to go in the original version.
I debated quite a bit on how to proceed. Over a number of days, I consulted with our President and Vice-President...my Area Director/BOD member who is also a RM(I) [and happens to be the official that will be running the stage]...our match RM...another LIII (IPSC & USPSA) MD/TD...and a few of our CRO''s and RO's that are helping to organize the match.
I actually got a head-ache (which never happens, but I was out of coffee
) and burned up most of a week on this one stage. In the end, as Co-Match Director, it came to me to make a call...we needed to move on. We felt like we had a pretty good stage and we weren't clear on what might not be legal about it. I made the call that I would consult with our match organizers when we were at the club that weekend, to see if we were going to have the extra props and all that was needed to come up with a different stage. If not, then we were simple going to have to pull it and just go with 10 stages instead of 11. (The score sheets were on order...so we were kinda locked into the round count, and we already are borrowing props from neighboring clubs.)For some reason, the fact that we might just drop the stage from the match generated a bit of activity. We found a solution that everybody could agree on, And, the 11th stage was approved along with the other 10. The match organizers approved, the IPSC stage approval committee signed off, and our RD signed off. The LIII approval form is now properly displayed at the range and we are more than moving along nicely with the match.
Whew.
As for the apparent bad blood between you (FV) and I...?
As far as I know, the only place that you and I have interacted is on this very forum. And, that is free for anybody to look up. When we had our little spat I had no clue who you were. I thought you were another guy on the internet that disliked Glocks, and...as a bonus...didn't seem to have much love for USPSA either. I had no clue you were the Regional Director, representing IPSC Canada.
Would that have made a difference? Yeah...probably. I wouldn't have exchanged nut kicks with you had I known you were kinda backed into a corner.
Well, the guys and gals at this club do put on a heck of a club match!!
The IPSC match is, as mentioned, 11 stages and over 200 rounds. And, if you can also make the LIII Ohio USPSA match, that is another 10 stages and over 200 more rounds. 21 stages and 400+ rounds...not a bad weekend. Plus, we are going to run a shoot-off side match on Saturday, after the Ohio USPSA match. And, later that night, and informal get-together to bend elbows around the bon-fire.
I should probably mention that...I did get an email from a Canadian shooter that is attending. He had been told that all we were doing to switch over from the USPSA match to the IPSC match was to change the paper targets out. That is not the case. While we do have to work with the many of the props we have...we are shooters first... I highly suggest making a good, fresh, stage plan before shooting. You'll need it. (even if you do recognize a few props from the day before)
Note: Saturday's USPSA is full and we have a waiting list. The USPSA match on Friday, with the staff, has openings.
There are still openings for the IPSC match on Sunday.
match info/apps here: http://www.lchico5u.com/ohio_ipsc.html
I'm not sure what the issues surrounding this match are; I can only go by what I've read in this forum. My only complaint is the title that bills this as an "IPSC-USA National Championship". IPSC USA is USPSA. It is not a separate organization, and USPSA held their National Championships this past weekend/this coming weekend in Las Vegas, not Ohio.
Those that attend/register this match expecting IPSC USA's National Championships may be sorely disappointed.
Those that attend/register this match expecting IPSC USA's National Championships may be sorely disappointed.
The issue is that USPSA unlike the other regions of the world, use a seperate set of rules. As such, thier members are not in fact shooting IPSC. Other than this one match, none of the other USPSA matches are sanctioned IPSC matches.
The only USPSA members that really care about the issue are those that might want to compete internationally.
Yes, I hope there is no confusion there.
USPSA is the host organization here in the States. (for USPSA, IPSC, Steel Challenge...handgun and long guns)
The USA IPSC Nationals is not the usual USPSA rules match that is normally run. Except for the occasional Level I (local) match doing so...I believe this to be the only major match in the States run under IPSC rules this year.
I'm just the lowly Co-Match Director
...and I don't speak for anybody on the USPSA BOD in any capacity...but, we were asked by the USPSA BOD and President (RD) to host and run this Level-III IPSC match as the USA IPSC Nationals.
I hope it isn't confused with any of the other Nationals matches that are held under the USPSA banner. (USPSA Single Stack Nationals, USPSA Open-Production Nationals, USPSA Revolver-Limited-Limited10 Nationals, USPSA Multi-gun Nationals, the Steel Challenge Nationals, nor THE Steel Challenge World Championship)
USPSA is the host organization here in the States. (for USPSA, IPSC, Steel Challenge...handgun and long guns)
The USA IPSC Nationals is not the usual USPSA rules match that is normally run. Except for the occasional Level I (local) match doing so...I believe this to be the only major match in the States run under IPSC rules this year.
I'm just the lowly Co-Match Director
...and I don't speak for anybody on the USPSA BOD in any capacity...but, we were asked by the USPSA BOD and President (RD) to host and run this Level-III IPSC match as the USA IPSC Nationals.I hope it isn't confused with any of the other Nationals matches that are held under the USPSA banner. (USPSA Single Stack Nationals, USPSA Open-Production Nationals, USPSA Revolver-Limited-Limited10 Nationals, USPSA Multi-gun Nationals, the Steel Challenge Nationals, nor THE Steel Challenge World Championship)
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Can't we just get along??? I opened this thread hoping good things would be said about this match and i opened a pandoras box of woes. Only reason I'm shooting the sunday only ipsc is that I'm an old fart and can't survive two days of shooting 20+ stages and my wife says go to only one preferably sunday so there you go. There are IPSC ont shooters i know who will only go for the saturday uspsa match and others for both 2 days uspsa and the ipsc matches. the beauty of having a choice. turtle or humanoid A zones. A lot of effort goes into setting up matches and it would have been easier to say just f it and stay uspsa. so kudos to the Ohio guys.. you too flexmoney. all of this my personal opinion.. btw, i am a member of uspsa and ipsc so i know where and what the matches are.
Agreed. Congratulations for putting on the IPSC US Nationals, I hope everything works out well and the match turn out is great.
And as with SquibLoad, I am a member of both IPSC Canada and USPSA, and I plan on continuing to support both even though I have yet to shoot a USPSA match (mostly due to having two small kids and not enough $$ to shoot ~14 Level II matches per year in Canada, Provincials, and sometimes Nationals AND go down there to shoot like I want to)
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Thanks for the encouraging words, folks. May all your hits be Alphas!
Mobile 1,
Still room in the IPSC match on Sunday and in the USPSA match on Friday with the staff. The USPSA match on Saturday is full and over-flowing (we opened the USPSA match earlier so the locals could get in).
We are doing an shoot-off (side match) on Saturday, after the Ohio. Plus an informal get-together at Conrad's place (Co-Match Director) Saturday night.
(Is this the Joe I know? Hangs out with a guy that makes scary snow men ? )
Match info: http://www.lchico5u.com/ohio_ipsc.html
Mobile 1,
Still room in the IPSC match on Sunday and in the USPSA match on Friday with the staff. The USPSA match on Saturday is full and over-flowing (we opened the USPSA match earlier so the locals could get in).
We are doing an shoot-off (side match) on Saturday, after the Ohio. Plus an informal get-together at Conrad's place (Co-Match Director) Saturday night.
(Is this the Joe I know? Hangs out with a guy that makes scary snow men ?
)Match info: http://www.lchico5u.com/ohio_ipsc.html
