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Does anyone have experience with this bullet out of 300 mag of some type? I was concidering trying some instead of the Accubond and wondering about preformance on game. At 3000fps and below. Thanks
 
I got pretty good accuracy out of my ATRS 300WM but was only considering the 200gr Speer for a practice bullet. I don't know if you'd want to smash 'em into anything too tough at close range given that they're just a normal cup and core bullet, but I wouldn't feel bad about using them at 2700 FPS impact velocity.
 
I've used Federal Premiums 200 gr. Sierra Gamekings out of my Sendero 300 WM, has a 26" barrel.

Had a guy clock one at the range once. 2903 fps.

He looked at the reading, shook his head, and said, "Why am I even bothering to handload???"

For accuracy, Sierra Gamekings are pretty hard to beat, short of going to match stuff. Taken lots of whitetails and muleys, and one elk with 'em, in 25.06, 30.06 and 300 WM. Save for a couple exceptions that were my fault, pretty much all one shot kills at ranges out to 350 yds.

The new stuff from Speer, "Deep Curl", I believe are made by the same process as Fusion bullets (which also are made by Speer). The jacket is literally applied and fused to the lead core one molecule at a time, proprietary technology, resulting in a very consistent thickness that's comparable to match quality ammo. Something like =/- .0003 of an inch if I remember correctly.

Deep Curl are flat base, while Fusion are boattail.

http://www.speer-bullets.com/whatsnew/newproducts.aspx
 
I have never used any for hunting out of a .300 magnum but I used to load the 180 gr Speer Hot-cor for my .303 Epps. Muzzle velocity was about 2600 fps. I did shoot several deer with this bullet and had one instance of cup and core seperation resulting in inadequate penetration. I would definetly go with the Accubond for hunting.
 
I used to shoot them out of my 300 H&H @ 2800 fps. Shot a few deer with them, never found one. Went clear through. One WT buck at 40yds and one at 200 ish. Shot a big mulie buck @ 90yds same result. Used the Sierra 200gr BT and found under the hide of a WT doe @ 150yds. Jacket and core came apart, switched back to the Speers.
 
No experience with them out of a magnum, but I used em a fair bit in my 06, chrony said 2660. They kill moose dead, that's for sure. I'm not sure what they would do at high impact velocity.

I had a 250g Hotcor out of my Whelen seperate on a bull elk, he was a ways out, so I'm guessing impact velocity was around 2100. Even though he went about 90yds, tracking was a non issue, complete penetration on a broadside lung shot. I wouldn't even had known the bullet seperated except that the jacket fell out when we loaded him into the truck :D.
 
ya the speers will be fine. don't use nosler i hate them. they don't apply as much shock and energy to the animal. i use vmax 95 out of my 260 rem on deer. couldn't ask for better results. not much meat in the ribs to be saved anyhow that doesn't get bruised from other "big game bullets " nice term uh
 
I shot my first elk with these bullets out of a .300 win mag at over 2900 fps. The shot was close (under 50 yards) and the bullets totally came apart. The elk died but the damage was brutal. These bullets are great out of a .30-06, but not for the .300 win mag.
 
Shot a rather large moose with one 25 years ago found the bullet under the skin on the off side of a lung shot . Can`t remember the weight of the expanded bullet but the moose was only 45 yds away and clipped a rib going in ,all in all a great job 2900 FPS out of a 300 Win Mag. Shot a calf a few days later and penetration was complete.
I`d use them again in a heart beat.
 
Saw 2 animals taken with this bullet and a 300 weatherby.

Muley buck about 100 yards hit in the spine dropped on the spot. Huge hole in the spine, you could literally fold the deer in half.

Bull elk 70 yards. Bullet caused absolutely massive internal damage and did not exit on a broad side lung shot. I don't even think the bullet made it to the far side of the ribs as I could not find a hole. Elk made it 50 yards and piled up.
 
saskcop said:
I shot my first elk with these bullets out of a .300 win mag at over 2900 fps. The shot was close (under 50 yards) and the bullets totally came apart. The elk died but the damage was brutal. These bullets are great out of a .30-06, but not for the .300 win mag.
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50yds and a 300 mag are a pretty tough load on a cup and core bullet. On most any bullet that is even bonded. Did you hit anything with them at say 150-200yds? :)

Used them for practice loads in Nugget's 721 but he switched to the Accubond for hunting. If it were me I'd have stayed with the Speer. They do tend to fragment close up but as long as the animal is dispatched fast I don't mind.
 
I shot a black bear in the back of the head at 60 yards with one in my .300WM and it separated. The core lost about 60% of the lead, and the jacket was almost completely inverted. But of course, this was through bone at a less than desireable speed. Too close but I wasn't about to shoo him off and take a shot when he had run 150 or so yards to make the bullet hold up better. He was still deader than a doornail. Found it near the jaw.
 
tylerjwitty said:
ya the speers will be fine. don't use nosler i hate them. they don't apply as much shock and energy to the animal. i use vmax 95 out of my 260 rem on deer. couldn't ask for better results. not much meat in the ribs to be saved anyhow that doesn't get bruised from other "big game bullets " nice term uh
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Obviously you have never seen the damage caused be a 200 grain Nosler Partition.

If there is a better performing bullet (for a 30 cal mag) than the 200grain Partition I have not seen it.
It sure as hell is not surpassed by the 200Speer.

The 300H&H is old, but it still sends the bullet as fast as the "new and improved" versions.
Fast enough to destroy a weak bullet.

I find a 30mag so loaded every bit the equal of a 338win.
It puts a truly impressive hurt on game.
 
I used SPEER hot core 200 grains from my tikka 300WM with H1000. Accuracy was very good, MOA and less and I even shot a moose with them. The moose was not very big as it was a spike but performance was perfect. He was facing me and a direct hit right in the center of the sternum put it down in seconds. I did not find the bullet because it was lost in the paunch.
 
X-fan said:
Obviously you have never seen the damage caused be a 200 grain Nosler Partition.

If there is a better performing bullet (for a 30 cal mag) than the 200grain Partition I have not seen it.
It sure as hell is not surpassed by the 200Speer.

The 300H&H is old, but it still sends the bullet as fast as the "new and improved" versions.
Fast enough to destroy a weak bullet.

I find a 30mag so loaded every bit the equal of a 338win.
It puts a truly impressive hurt on game.
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+1. As to the Speers, I use them up to 2900 fps, cartridges that are faster then that I use premium bullets in. FWIW - dan
 
Demonical said:
I figure the Nosler Accubond is the best bullet dollar-for-dollar in terms of accuracy and terminal performance, on the market today... so why do you wanna try the Speer?
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I was going to try the Speer 'cause there so cheap and if they preform on game and fly straight..why not. That bullet has a good reputation in the heavier calibers (35 in the Whelen) I thought maybe it would work well in the 300H&H as it's not a super duper speedster...However the Accubond is probably the better choice by the sounds of it.
 
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