$200 SVT 40s!

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Horilka said:
There was never a debate. Vic never presented any proof of those SVT being manufactured in Kovrov. "Kovrov" is a myth of English-speaking gun community that didn't have any other source of information except of Vic's site. Vic did a great job many years ago, however he didn't have a lot of information and for some reason he choose to ignore some information. Treat Vic's site as kids' ABC, but do not rely on details. "Naval stock" is also myth BTW, and I don't remember other incorrect things on his site, but I think there are more. All one needs to know about SVT is presented in great summary posts by Ratnik on this forum in SVT thread. Way more better than Vic's site.
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I don't doubt any of what you have said.... but, you need to realize that until recently, the majority of collectors in Canada haven't had access to the Russian/Ukrainian Collectors information on many things related to the SVT40... It's tough to correct misinformation that is posted as fact throughout the internet... It takes time, and in fact many myths and fallacies never do get corrected completely... In regards to the "Naval Stock" I also made reference to Naval/AVT/Later Production model stock as well.... I know now correctly what it is... but for a while I took what I had been told by other collectors and internet sources as gospel. (I've only been acquainted with Ratniks, and others work for about a year or so now)

Most of us do not have access to Primary Sources, or direct info from the original Manufacturing Plants or employees... The language barrier and Soviet secrecy do not help many Canadians know the exact truth either... When was the last time anyone has seen a definitive study manual on the SVT40 series of rifles printed in the English language?? I do look forward to the upcoming resources that might become available to Russian/Ukrainian speaking Collectors in the future, and luckily, while I don't speak any Russian/Ukrainian or read Cyrillic, my Brother in Law and my good Friend both do... ;) I might have to make them read the SVT40 books to me... Kinda like Story time.... :D
 
Mr_jonny said:
How do you figure less 43 than 40? I can buy 2 43 right now, but no 40 in stock (in town)
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Interesting... Locally, ALL I can find are '40 and '41 dated.. :eek:

Horilka said:
Not to mention quality of 1940 guns is much better.
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Never mentioned anything about quality.... just thought it would be neat for that Gentleman to have a '43 to go with his '34 Mosin....

I know that 41-43 are probably the most common years, but frankly, all I seem to find are mostly '40s, and '41s... Heck... that's all I own, except for a '42 Tula Sniper....
 
That is the problem with milsurps, no real proof , a thousand experts, and the hope that one day the books will be opened to us. Personally my person advice to anyone , buy what you like, don't think that they are investments (just like the hockeycard phase of the 90s), and take info from multiple sources.
 
Desert_Fox said:
Interesting... Locally, ALL I can find are '40 and '41 dated.. :eek:



Never mentioned anything about quality.... just thought it would be neat for that Gentleman to have a '43 to go with his '34 Mosin....

I know that 41-43 are probably the most common years, but frankly, all I seem to find are mostly '40s, and '41s... Heck... that's all I own, except for a '42 Tula Sniper....
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Doesn't surprise me...lol... I would like to get a 40 tula, podolsk/kovlov/whatever the new name.
 
lyman said:
What is it then ?

I never know what to call that stock version.
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I guess I shouldn't say "I know", but I have been "corrected" by others who seem more knowledgeable than me... They are apparently just a later design/AVT stock.

Mr_jonny said:
That is the problem with milsurps, no real proof , a thousand experts, and the hope that one day the books will be opened to us. Personally my person advice to anyone , buy what you like, don't think that they are investments (just like the hockeycard phase of the 90s), and take info from multiple sources.
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But, but, but ,but...... I still have my collection of 4000 Hockey Cards... :(

I started collecting Hockey Cards when I was about 7, and stopped when Pogs became the new fad.... ;)

Only collected Militaria and Guns after all that, at least with that junk, I can actually do something with it!
 
lyman said:
Do the podolsk/kovlov rifles have more value than the Tula built rifles ?
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I know CGN member Yarmouth is a big fan of the "Poddies"... ;)

Some people value them more than Tula and Izhevsk, but only because of lower production numbers... (The more rare it is, the more money it is... same with K98 codes, all other Milsurps etc)
 
Desert_Fox said:
I guess I shouldn't say "I know", but I have been "corrected" by others who seem more knowledgeable than me... They are apparently just a later design/AVT stock.



But, but, but ,but...... I still have my collection of 4000 Hockey Cards... :(

I started collecting Hockey Cards when I was about 7, and stopped when Pogs became the new fad.... ;)

Only collected Militaria and Guns after all that, at least with that junk, I can actually do something with it!
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I flogged my hockey, basketball card collection.(damn did I take a loss) . I agree with your last comment 100%, ( minus the junk) and at least should be able to recoup most of the money.
The only reason I compared milsurps to cards is , like hockey cards, all of a sudden people are buying guns( not firing them) and storing them away. Early hockey cards had value due to the fact they were not keeped in sleeves, got banged up, and there wasn't thousands of near mint cards available for purchase.
 
Desert_Fox said:
I know CGN member Yarmouth is a big fan of the "Poddies"... ;)

Some people value them more than Tula and Izhevsk, but only because of lower production numbers... (The more rare it is, the more money it is... same with K98 codes, all other Milsurps etc)
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Poddies is easy to remember, that's what I shall call them from now on :)

As it happens I have a tack driver poddie. It would be nice to know it's value.;)
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I have ordered a crate of 15 SVT 40 surprise specials from Lever, should have them soon with any luck. It's good to know which examples are most sought after.
 
Mr_jonny said:
I flogged my hockey, basketball card collection.(damn did I take a loss) . I agree with your last comment 100%, ( minus the junk) and at least should be able to recoup most of the money.
The only reason I compared milsurps to cards is , like hockey cards, all of a sudden people are buying guns( not firing them) and storing them away. Early hockey cards had value due to the fact they were not keeped in sleeves, got banged up, and there wasn't thousands of near mint cards available for purchase.
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Oh, I totally agree....

I'm just keeping my cards for the fun of it... I don't even like organized sports anymore! :eek:

The only one that stays out of my binders and boxes is my Wayne Gretzky rookie card... Remember the days when there were new Sports Card/Comic Book shops opening up in every strip mall, and kiosks everywhere and guys were paying $1000 for a mint original Wayne Gretzky rookie??? Man, those were the days to SELL!!! ;)

I agree about how everyone is a "collector" now with guns etc too, and eventually the prices will stagnate due to low demand, economy etc, but that's why I like the Commie Junk being flogged now, it's so flipping cheap, you CAN'T lose money on this stuff!! And it's made to work! I still remember when I started collecting K98s over a decade ago and one could still find excellent examples for $100-$200 or think of the Garands for $150-$200..... All we need is another "Enemy at the Gates" to come out featuring SVT40's and less crap acting, and baby, we're in the MONEY!!!! LOL! :D
 
lyman said:
Poddies is easy to remember, that's what I shall call them from now on :)

As it happens I have a tack driver poddie. It would be nice to know it's value.;)

I have ordered a crate of 15 SVT 40 surprise specials from Lever, should have them soon with any luck. It's good to know which examples are most sought after.
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Damn.... if any GunNutz find out I started this whole "Poddies" thing, I'll be flogged like the guys who call Shotguns "Shotties"..... ;)

Hopefully you score a crate of '45s.. then you can lord it over all of us!
 
Desert_Fox said:
Not sure if you'll even be able to get all the options you want from Lever... But, I'd go for a 1943 with an AVT/Naval/Later version (whatever we finally decide what it is) stock and the later 4 port brake.
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OK, Lever Arms just called to confirm the following...

1943 - yes
Tula - oops... forgot to ask
Naval stock - yes
4 port brake - no
6 port brake instead

I said OK... process the order !!

Looks like the order could leave today...
 
lalunette said:
OK, Lever Arms just called to confirm the following...

1943 - yes
Tula - oops... forgot to ask
Naval stock - yes
4 port brake - no
6 port brake instead

I said OK... process the order !!

Looks like the order could leave today...
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Very cool!

Like others have said, 1940/1944/1945 might be more "rare", but still, a 1943 Tula in an AVT/Later Style stock will still be a very nice rifle, IMO. Good score!

Really, for $225 (Plus shipping etc), you can't really go wrong. :)

Merry Christmas to you, eh? ;)
 
lalunette said:
OK, Lever Arms just called to confirm the following...

1943 - yes
Tula - oops... forgot to ask
Naval stock - yes
4 port brake - no
6 port brake instead

I said OK... process the order !!

Looks like the order could leave today...
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Very cool , love the look of the 6 port and navy stock!
 
Desert_Fox said:
Most of us do not have access to Primary Sources, or direct info from the original Manufacturing Plants or employees... The language barrier and Soviet secrecy do not help many Canadians know the exact truth either... When was the last time anyone has seen a definitive study manual on the SVT40 series of rifles printed in the English language?? I do look forward to the upcoming resources that might become available to Russian/Ukrainian speaking Collectors in the future, and luckily, while I don't speak any Russian/Ukrainian or read Cyrillic, my Brother in Law and my good Friend both do... ;) I might have to make them read the SVT40 books to me... Kinda like Story time.... :D
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Everyone is waiting for the book that is being published now, it should be good book. Alas, not in English :( But you'll enjoy story time :)
 
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