john442
Regular
- Location
- Central Alberta
This sucks !!!
2007 or later CZ858 Prohib
- Thread starter Zdragunov
- Start date
Thanks for the reply.
Can anyone here answer my questions? I can't get through to the RCMP.
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoba. Canada
Forward to your MP and ask him to sort this out!
- Location
- Nanaimo, BC
+1!
volkov956
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- British Columbia
oops ordered more of them more and more out of potential cycle so they cant have or destroy them
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoba. Canada
That sir, is a million dollar question, that at the moment is open to a lot of speculation.
Dear Hon Mr. Lauzon,
This past week, without Parliamentary input, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police re-classified two popular sporting arms, the CZ 858, and the Swiss Arms series of rifles, amounting to an incredible 15 Million dollars of private property, as prohibited. They are to be surrendered by their owners without compensation, lest they be considered criminals on paper.
While the RCMP has an obligation to observe the letter of the law, they acted fundamentally against its spirit. The Swiss Arms rifles were re-interpreted to be a “variant” of a prohibited arm that was banned by name for cosmetic reasons during the Liberal government’s tenure in the 1990s. The 858, on the other hand, was prohibited on the basis that the manufacturer could have theoretically made the rifle select-fire instead of semi-automatic. This is unprecedented because the rifles had not actually been made select-fire and then modified after to semi-auto (capable of fully automatic operation), but because they could have been had the manufacturer chosen to, the RCMP chose to interpret that as enough to warrant prohibition. I’ve never seen our police agencies act in a way I could describe as Kafkaesque.
There is no doubt in my mind that this is a reprisal for the Conservative scrapping of the firearms registry, as the RCMP selected two expensive and popular arms numbering in the tens of thousands. The 858 retails for about $1000, the Swiss Arms are $4000 rifles. These are NOT in the hands of criminals on the streets; they are the property of sportsmen and hunters. If you have any experience with firearms enthusiasts you likely know that they are some of the most legally-aware and law-abiding people you know.
Not only do we need the RCMP to behave in a manner consistent with the spirit of our laws, we need to replace the Firearms Act with legislation that is reasonable, clear, and without vague clauses, and not prone to police reprisals.
Please contact me if you have any questions,
This past week, without Parliamentary input, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police re-classified two popular sporting arms, the CZ 858, and the Swiss Arms series of rifles, amounting to an incredible 15 Million dollars of private property, as prohibited. They are to be surrendered by their owners without compensation, lest they be considered criminals on paper.
While the RCMP has an obligation to observe the letter of the law, they acted fundamentally against its spirit. The Swiss Arms rifles were re-interpreted to be a “variant” of a prohibited arm that was banned by name for cosmetic reasons during the Liberal government’s tenure in the 1990s. The 858, on the other hand, was prohibited on the basis that the manufacturer could have theoretically made the rifle select-fire instead of semi-automatic. This is unprecedented because the rifles had not actually been made select-fire and then modified after to semi-auto (capable of fully automatic operation), but because they could have been had the manufacturer chosen to, the RCMP chose to interpret that as enough to warrant prohibition. I’ve never seen our police agencies act in a way I could describe as Kafkaesque.
There is no doubt in my mind that this is a reprisal for the Conservative scrapping of the firearms registry, as the RCMP selected two expensive and popular arms numbering in the tens of thousands. The 858 retails for about $1000, the Swiss Arms are $4000 rifles. These are NOT in the hands of criminals on the streets; they are the property of sportsmen and hunters. If you have any experience with firearms enthusiasts you likely know that they are some of the most legally-aware and law-abiding people you know.
Not only do we need the RCMP to behave in a manner consistent with the spirit of our laws, we need to replace the Firearms Act with legislation that is reasonable, clear, and without vague clauses, and not prone to police reprisals.
Please contact me if you have any questions,
Rodeobailey
New member
Consider the CSSA
If you are looking to support an organization that is seen in Ottawa and lobbies for your rights then think CSSA.
You only have to watch the news to get an idea of which firearms owners association is present.
Oh, I think I need to start a thread on this subject alone.
If you are looking to support an organization that is seen in Ottawa and lobbies for your rights then think CSSA.
You only have to watch the news to get an idea of which firearms owners association is present.
Oh, I think I need to start a thread on this subject alone.
My CZH 2003 has 2 heat marks from welds on either side of the receiver, a 3 position selector, and a mysterious hole that has been filled with epoxy just in front of the trigger. I'm willing to bet that this receiver started life as FA beast.
Grumpy Wolverine
Regular
- Location
- Look over your shoulder
Not good to go...amnesty isn't enough...keep up the letters, emails and phone calls, permanent changes have to be made!
- Location
- Ottawa, Ontario
Not so much... An amnesty just means they won't prosecute you for having one, yet... In the meanwhile, you can not use, sell or buy any of these rifles as they are prohibited in the FRT.
The ONLY solution to this whole matter is to see the Firearms Act rescinded & replaced with common sense legislation that respects the rights of Canadians to own and use firearms responsibly. And it MUST be done BEFORE the next election. NO COMPROMISE!
Write your MP, the Ministers of Public Safety and Justice as well as the Prime Minister!
Cheers
Jay
- Location
- Montreal
csa' s v58 are not in the prohibited lot because they were not made out of previous full auto parts as per their cz counterparts . csa' models are made of new parts and their v58 models are deemed civilian models from the get go. the problem is that the CFC found out a tad too late ... that cz 858 models had been made out of parts coming from full auto models ... after thousands were sold in canada... oups......who's paying for this goof off .. try to guess ...
The very first VZ58 type semi auto rifles imported into Canada were made up using altered selective fire receivers and NOS or used original parts. These have not been prohibited. The issue is when in the production cycle that the receivers were remanufactured.
ruger sr9
New member
- Location
- nova scotia
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson Papers,
