2014 ORA Winter Training Series

Pretty good memory, skeetgunner: Section 11.05 (5) (iv) makes the statement that "any safe, mechanically-operated trigger may be employed on an F-Class rifle" and 16.20 describes the test using a weight hooked onto the trigger, however this must only apply to TR rifles which must have a minimum 0.5 kg trigger weight. Since F-Class has no minimum requirement the weight test would not apply. I could not find any reference to a drop test.
 
whizzbang said:
Pretty good memory, skeetgunner: Section 11.05 (5) (iv) makes the statement that "any safe, mechanically-operated trigger may be employed on an F-Class rifle" and 16.20 describes the test using a weight hooked onto the trigger, however this must only apply to TR rifles which must have a minimum 0.5 kg trigger weight. Since F-Class has no minimum requirement the weight test would not apply. I could not find any reference to a drop test.
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I'm not sure there is a specific "height" to drop the rifle butt from. The trigger should hold #### through the roughest handling expected, to be safe. A drop vertically on its butt from, 2-3" onto solid ground, 3 times should be proof enough. 3 reasonable hits with the heel of your hand or a dead blow hammer on the butt with the trigger remaining cocked throughout should be proof enough as well. Protect the butt when dropping or hitting, you don't want to do destructive testing, just test the safety of your trigger adjustment.

NormB
 
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Thanks, NormB. 2-3" seems OK with my current setting of 12 oz with the trigger that came with my Barnard P action (great trigger, very easy to adjust settings without removing the stock). Cheers, Ian.
 
whizzbang said:
Since F-Class has no minimum requirement the weight test would not apply. I could not find any reference to a drop test.
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That does sound like a TR test. I thought the F-class test was point the rifle straight up, and then fully cycle the bolt "normally" three times. ie: open-close-lock. Doesn't appear to be in the rules anymore, but I'm sure it was in earlier versions, maybe as late as 2009?


That said, I use the procedure described by NormB when testing my own rifles. I need to know my rifle will hold. Besides, Service Conditions has a different standard anyway.
 
Any comments on the x-mark triggers that come stock on the Remingtons? I've got one on mine, and I'm considering tweaking it down a little... although more then half of the people I talk to tell me it's best to have a gunsmith tune something like that, just for safety's sake. So far it seems smooth and clean - I can't tell when it's going to break, it just sort of happens... but I would like to maybe cut the pull in half or so.
 
skeetgunner said:
That does sound like a TR test. I thought the F-class test was point the rifle straight up, and then fully cycle the bolt "normally" three times. ie: open-close-lock. Doesn't appear to be in the rules anymore, but I'm sure it was in earlier versions, maybe as late as 2009?
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The bolt cycling test would sure make sense for a rifle you would not even be picking up off the ground while loaded!
 
blsonne said:
Wow, that was a fantastic day! Thank you very much to all, sorry about the loudener :) Absolutely right about those bipods wiggling off, I know what's next on the list of purchases.

edit: Hmm, seems everywhere I look for those PodLocs, they're out of stock.
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Hey did you find any Bipod locks?

I just ordered some from t-nuts.com
http://t-nuts.com/index.php?cPath=73

They had a decent review here:
http://www.westernshooter.com/2008/04/t-nutscom-bipod-lock.html

Sorry I didn't see this post before I ordered, I could have asked if you wanted one a saved a bit on shipping.

And another thanks to Bob, Ken and Skeetgunner for an informative day in the classroom and range.
 
I was about to buy some before I realized that I don't know what threads I have; I am assuming 10/32. But living in Canada, like bicycle parts, you never know - Is it metric? is it imperial? Yay! Also wanted to get one of the thicker dials for the bipod to lock it on tighter, but need to figure out which one is the right one too. Thanks for the links!

Edit: now I'm wondering about re-purposing something from Lee Valley tool or elsewhere to act as lock arms or dials. Sounds like a simple enough DIY though might need some re-threading and trimming.
 
blsonne said:
I was about to buy some before I realized that I don't know what threads I have; I am assuming 10/32. But living in Canada, like bicycle parts, you never know - Is it metric? is it imperial? Yay! Also wanted to get one of the thicker dials for the bipod to lock it on tighter, but need to figure out which one is the right one too. Thanks for the links!

Edit: now I'm wondering about re-purposing something from Lee Valley tool or elsewhere to act as lock arms or dials. Sounds like a simple enough DIY though might need some re-threading and trimming.
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If you have a Harris or Caldwell they are 10-32. Other brands maybe metric. There is a compatibility chart on the the t-nuts website.
They come with a spacer so you don't have to trim the bolt assembly.
Only $8 or so depending on the style you want.
 
blsonne said:
Any comments on the x-mark triggers that come stock on the Remingtons? I've got one on mine, and I'm considering tweaking it down a little... although more then half of the people I talk to tell me it's best to have a gunsmith tune something like that, just for safety's sake. So far it seems smooth and clean - I can't tell when it's going to break, it just sort of happens... but I would like to maybe cut the pull in half or so.
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For precision / target shooting X-Mark & X-Mark Pro are not very good, the best plan is to throw it away and replace with Jewell, Timney, Rifle Basix, etc.

Snapshot
 
Yeah, that's what I thought, so I've picked up a Timney that should arrive soon. I looked at Jewel, they sounds nicer... but not as good as dealing with dirt and crud, and since this might be a field rifle too, I want it to be able to take a bit of a beating. So Timney it is.

Maybe years of shooting air rifles got me used to stiff ugly triggers, because that x-mark pro feels like a dream. Y'all are spoiled! :)
 
Hmmm. My 700 is at the smith being worked on and won't be back in time; for this weekend's wind class (08-Feb) I'm gonna have to bring my 22. I suppose the wind will throw me even more than the folks with the big guns?
 
Winger said:
Well looks like the weather for this Saturday's session looks good (unlike other Feb's ??)
There I said it so it won't be cursed with snow HA HA
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Ha! Usually Bob brings the snow with him. This year......we already had a tonne!

Hope everyone had a great day. Big thanks to Ken and Paul for helping out on the range too!
 
Team,

Looks like Mons range has finally thawed out and the butts are accessible. Weather will be cold, wet and probably very windy, so dress appropriately. We will be using the Mons range, because it has better flags for wind reading.
 
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