2014 Western Canada F-Class Championships
- Thread starter SteveB
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Kodiak99317
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Saskatchewan, Canada
Look what I found on the BCRA site 
http://www.bcrifle.org/misc/2014/2014-WCda-FChamp-Entry.pdf
Victoria mailing address is:
PO Box 41028
Cordova Bay PO
Victoria, BC V8Y 2K0
http://www.bcrifle.org/misc/2014/2014-WCda-FChamp-Entry.pdf
Victoria mailing address is:
PO Box 41028
Cordova Bay PO
Victoria, BC V8Y 2K0
Check the ORA web site dates should be up soon
http://www.ontariorifleassociation.ca/node/488
The Victoria Day week-end has a 3 day F/O, FTR and TR shoot at Conaught Ranges in Ottawa put on by
National Capital Region Rifle Association
Raymo,
You can find more info on the Eastern Canada F-Class Championships at www.easternfclass.ca, or send me a PM.
Scott
Kodiak99317
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Saskatchewan, Canada
Man I wish everyone would correct the spelling in one go, Defense vs Defence, Volk's vs Vokes...
Wishing Photoshop had spell check in it!!
Anymore???
Sorry to Major General Christopher Vokes CB CBE DSO CD - rest in peace - and his descendants
BTW sent this newest one to Steve B(match director), Linda B and Scott B. (Marksmen) as well
Hope it not too late for the Marksmen
Yes the poster boy is GT still, with his BIG wallet LMAO
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- Location
- rocky mountain house
can anyone tell me the reasoning for the need for memberships in the dcra and home province rifle associations to shoot this match? i have no problem with the fee for the shoot to have paid target pullers,etc; but all the extra fees and memberships to shoot a single match will certainly deter a lot of people starting out in this sport.
Kodiak99317
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Saskatchewan, Canada
The PRA fee is for insurance purposes and to support the PRA. PRAs have costs too, like training of officials and coaches (NCCP), taxes on the land, audits, maintenance on buildings, targets, and signs, travel costs to the DCRA meetings in Ottawa, etc.
The DCRA fee is to off set the cost of the six medals and six reduced entry fee for the Canadian FClass Nationals in Ottawa that DCRA provide to the winners, plus run the DCRA office etc., which is our National Shooting Organization (NSO).
The match entry fee goes to pay the markers, the shirts, the officials that run the match, the targets wear centers used, the trophies that go to the winners of the aggregate matches, the HPS DCRA Pins, the supper/banquet, possible range rental fees, etc. I know it sounds like lots of money to compete, but is all gets used up to run the match. Part of the entry fee in 2012 went to pay for a large diameter barrel for the main PGW prize that year, a barreled Coyote action.
Most PRAs shoot on DND ranges and their members already have paid this assoc fee. The only PRAs that do not have to pay the assoc fee is the two that have private ranges, the SPRA and the APRA, so the extra DCRA assoc fees collected at the Westerns is pretty small and probably does not cover the medals and reduced entry fee cards, let along run the DCRA office.
The Western's usually has more competitors attend than the DCRA's Canadian FClass Nationals and is the biggest and best run match in Western Canada!
If you look at any big USA matches, you will usually have spend $100 per day on entry fees, plus the extra cost of getting there and accommodations.
Medals and certificates for reduced entry fees to Ottawa in 2012...
All organized competitive sports have huge costs, that is why you pay so much for a round of golf and a golf membership!
The DCRA fee is to off set the cost of the six medals and six reduced entry fee for the Canadian FClass Nationals in Ottawa that DCRA provide to the winners, plus run the DCRA office etc., which is our National Shooting Organization (NSO).
The match entry fee goes to pay the markers, the shirts, the officials that run the match, the targets wear centers used, the trophies that go to the winners of the aggregate matches, the HPS DCRA Pins, the supper/banquet, possible range rental fees, etc. I know it sounds like lots of money to compete, but is all gets used up to run the match. Part of the entry fee in 2012 went to pay for a large diameter barrel for the main PGW prize that year, a barreled Coyote action.
Most PRAs shoot on DND ranges and their members already have paid this assoc fee. The only PRAs that do not have to pay the assoc fee is the two that have private ranges, the SPRA and the APRA, so the extra DCRA assoc fees collected at the Westerns is pretty small and probably does not cover the medals and reduced entry fee cards, let along run the DCRA office.
The Western's usually has more competitors attend than the DCRA's Canadian FClass Nationals and is the biggest and best run match in Western Canada!
If you look at any big USA matches, you will usually have spend $100 per day on entry fees, plus the extra cost of getting there and accommodations.
Medals and certificates for reduced entry fees to Ottawa in 2012...
All organized competitive sports have huge costs, that is why you pay so much for a round of golf and a golf membership!
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thanks for the explanation kieth. i'm going to pay the fees and go to the shoot, probly get my azz handed to me, and have a good time doing it. this will be my 'holiday' for the year, can't wait for it to get here!
not quite seeing how giving the apra a $100 is going to benefit the shoot in bc.
the fact of the matter is, $400+ dollars for one shoot is a lot of cash for most people, and when new guys hear of these costs, they often think, why bother getting started, i'll never afford to go to serious competition down the road anyway.
we live in a tough world with the costs of building/maintaining/ operating ranges, which makes it hard for the average joe, even though interested in competition, be able to do much more than play around on crown land for his shooting fun.
as far as getting there and accommodations, i think that washes from place to place if any travel is involved which includes more than a day's drive, lee
not quite seeing how giving the apra a $100 is going to benefit the shoot in bc.
the fact of the matter is, $400+ dollars for one shoot is a lot of cash for most people, and when new guys hear of these costs, they often think, why bother getting started, i'll never afford to go to serious competition down the road anyway.
we live in a tough world with the costs of building/maintaining/ operating ranges, which makes it hard for the average joe, even though interested in competition, be able to do much more than play around on crown land for his shooting fun.
as far as getting there and accommodations, i think that washes from place to place if any travel is involved which includes more than a day's drive, lee
Chinbullco
Regular
- Location
- NW Alberta
I belong to an Alberta range and am insured through its membership insurance, why is more insurance required? Does the APRA contribute financially to the operating costs of the "Westerns"? The idea that a person needs to be a member of an uninvolved association to shoot this match is wrong. Trying to buy an APRA membership, I have been redirected twice. How many new shooters are turned away from competing because of these complications? Is there anything wrong with one fee for anyone that wants to compete?
- Location
- rocky mountain house
like I said before in my last post I have no problem paying those kind of shoot fees.actually they are completely reasonable. I am well aware of the costs with putting on shoots and managing society act associations.i also do not see how giving the apra money is going to benefit the shoot in bc.I would rather give another 50.00 in entry fee money than have to go through all the hassle of joining more associations.
You guys are getting confused. you do not have to join the APRA to shoot at this year's Westerns. you can join the BCRA as they are the host association in addition to becoming an associate member of the DCRA. Even if you join the Alberta PRA you will have to join the DCRA as the APRA membership does not include DCRA dues.
Why do you have to pay dues to the DCRA you ask? This event is a regional championship sanctioned by the DCRA, which is the governing body of this sport in Canada. There is also a requirement imposed by the Department of National Defense as part of the contract between the DCRA and DND that any civilian using a DND range for a DCRA event will be a DCRA member with the attendant insurance coverage. Short story, you want to shoot a sanctioned F class match on a DND owned range, you must have a DCRA membership.
I wonder why people look at this match and think that all F-Class competitions are expensive, or that a new shooter has to shoot his first match at this event. This match has been a high profile, high quality match right from it's conception nearly 5 year ago. Due to the high cost of running this match, and the second to none prize table, it has also been the most expensive! New shooters and any shooter that thinks this match is too expensive or not worth while to attend, should also realize that there is an abundance of opportunity to shoot some very inexpensive matches as well. There are a half dozen matches in BC every shooting season, as well as Sask and Manitoba. Alberta has 11 competitions out of the Homestead range alone. All of these competitions cost between 15.00-25.00. Is that not a mitt full of competitive shooting opportunity?
It also doesn't matter which PRA you belong to, as long as you belong to one of them. We all have a certain amount of insurance through our local clubs, and some may not even be members of any club. But a PRA membership ensures that all have adequate insurance and we are all equally covered should anything ever happen. Les has covered the DCRA portion as we all know that the DND ranges do not belong to us. The DCRA ensures that we have access to these ranges, if it was left up to the military, no civies would ever see the inside of a DND range again.
I do have a question for past and present Westerns organizers. Is there a reason why the DCRA has sent gift certificates for the Eastern and Western Championship winners, every year since the beginning, yet 2013 they were only sent to the Eastern Championships and the Westerns were left out? I am only asking this now, as I brought it up last year and the question was never answered. Doesn't seem right in my opinion!!
Thanks you Steve and your match comity for taking on the huge task of organizing this match. I look forward to being there again, and will get my registration out to you as soon as I can find the registration form.
Cheers
Eric
