2016 Canadian IPSC Nationals
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SOLUTION for 450-500 shooters plus about 60 officials (after rethinking all night) 18 stages, 320 rounds, main match 3 days, preshoot 1 day...using the same formula of 2 half days of shooting and 1 full day of work............have 2 clubs within 100km of each other, each having only 9 stages, keeps the squads small and they don't have to tape or re-set...1 CRO and 2 ROs dedicated on each stage have a long day prematch and 3 workdays but compensated well due to the extra funds from extra shooters (hotel, meals, gas allowance and match fee paid).......match hotel somewhere inbetween the 2 clubs so travel time to either club is not more than 30 minutes either way (no one would have to travel from one club to another in any one day).........a lot less work for each club to do and less bays needed than putting on an 18 stage match....even if there are only 3 or 4 places across Canada this is possible (1 in East, 1 in Central, 1 in West, possibly another) they would each only have to accommodate a 9 stage match every 3 to 4 years....possibly also allowing the max round count for 18 stages of 348 (9Short, 6Medium, 3Long) or even adding an extra stage at one of the 2 clubs to make it a 19 stage 372 round count match (9Short, 7Medium, 3Long)...almost everyone takes a couple days off work or even a week to travel and shoot Nationals anyhow, this solution would work and allow double the number of shooters in our growing sport to enjoy Nationals once a year....if even more wanted in on a huge match it could eventually be a 4 day Main Match using the exact same formula and now be 600-650 shooters plus officials making it over 700 !!
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You will note have a 1 day pre shoot if people have to get in their cars and drive to another range.
that's the ONLY excuse for not making this work so double the shooters or more can shoot our Nationals each year ???..use the lunch break to drive and eat on the way.....if for some reason a stage is still left to shoot make it up during the main match by allowing the 1 day workers who are certified ROs and CROs to fill in on the scorepad while the other remaining dedicated RO runs the clock so each stage is still run the same.....make the Pre-shoot 2 days.....let them shoot half day at one range, half day at the other....lots of ways to get around minor details, the big point is that it is a very viable solution so that we can have double or more shooters getting to shoot our Nationals once a year using the exact same format being run at this years Ntls. with only half the stage work needed to be done at each range, match officials compensated well for their efforts, a larger amount of money to make it a big success
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they would each have dedicated range officials and running their own 9 stage main match over 3 days...no shooter, worker or official would have to go from one range to the other in any one day.......the only things they would have to work together on would be how many ShortMediumLong stages each club had for their 9 stages, the squad/work scheduling...combining the two final results together would be no big deal either, and there would only be 1 banquet and awards as usual.....costs would be split equally as would be profit if any.......as a matter of fact both clubs would probably work real hard to maybe outdo the other in stage presentation which may just make it even a better match for all the shooters...........a totally viable solution to the problem of allowing a lot more shooters to enjoy our Nationals....I'm sure any minor details or problems could be worked out quite easily with all the past match experiences to learn from....Amen
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Really? I'd always been told it was Thompson not Mission, weird, that makes it even more impressive to have accomplished that though, with the space between them. In Ontario for years there was the Triangle match, 3 indoor ranges In November holding a level III with stages at each range. So we know it can be done. As for the preshoot, no reason it couldn't be over two days either. Yes it means a large time commitment from officials, but like matches in many regions, sections or even zones, small matches ends up hurting the competitors in the long run and the sport as well. Through proper planning and strategy there is no reason we couldn't see a 500 person Nationals in our near future. Even if it meant hiring a team from overseas where these kinds of matches are run routinely, Baltic Storm for instance, 40 stages shot over 2 weekends with competitors shooting 2 half days, 20 stages a day in 5-5.5hrs.
All that said, I am sure the match Jim and the boys are going to put on will be up to their previous excellence, as they always do good matches out there.
I will address the more then one range comment (for this year anyways). There are a few clubs within a 1 hour drive of AMA, but none of them (including mine) currently allow for IPSC events to take place, even though they very successfully held such events 15-20 years ago. Myself and the club secretary were talking the other day about addressing the rest of the executive and hosting some events maybe as early as this winter. We have 2 poppers that are in need of repair. Every other piece of hardware (stands, poppers, swingers) will need to be bought or made. We are basically starting from square one. I looked the other day at NB's IPSC schedule and it looks like there are only 3-4 clubs hosting events there. If you move to a 2 club system for nationals it will mean that they will likely never be hosted in Atlantic Canada again.
This isn't true. MVRRC does IPSC on the first Sunday of every month. They have walls, plastic plates, runners (etc) already. They are looking to host a L2 this year also.
Hnatiuks Indoor does IPSC every Wednesday night and have equipment purchased by the shooters.
While it isn't one hour out, Oxford is looking to host 1-2 events this year also (brought up at the general meeting).
I'm guessing you mean Annapolis Valley, which I don't know much about but hear it isn't IPSC friendly.
I knew Scotia had something on Wed, but was told it was more or less a practice. Didn't know that MVRRC did anything since it's not mentioned in relation to IPSC NS. Some of the Oxford guys mentioned that they are going to try and hold some shoots, but nothing was concrete last I heard.
Pat, how many apps did you receive last year. Would that not give some idea as to the actual interest. Isn't the 250 number availble slots?
If more spots were available i would think more people who don't situp waiting for a match to come online would also want in.
If more spots were available i would think more people who don't situp waiting for a match to come online would also want in.
As for 2017 Nationals in Alberta, I can guarantee a quick sell out, in just IPSC Alberta members alone. Every Level 2 Qualifier throughout the season is usually sold out within minutes of the match opening for registration. Be quick on the Register link next year.
guys is is straight math really. it takes each shooter about 3 1/2 minutes to complete a stage. so if you have a 100 shooter in the morning and have 10 men squads it takes about 35 minutes a stage. 8 stages will take you 4 hours and 40 minutes. So a 7 am start will get you done by noon. So afternoon will take you from 1 pm till about 6. so if you have 16 stages and three groups (open, Standard and PRoduction)it will take you three days to run through 300 shooter. If you add another 100 shooter you have to either cut down the number of stages or add another day. The only way to get more stages done in that time frame is to run stages hot. they take about the same amount of time. Then you start to run into the problem with Match Officials. If i remember correctly i worked 6 of the 7 days and went from 7 am to 7 pm and i can tell you i was beat by the time the match finished. I spent most of my day off snoozing by the pool. We unfortunately just don't have enough match officials to pull this off unlike the US where they can have dedicated RO/CROs for each stage. it does help when your membership is over 20,000 not 2,000. I think the present format of shooting 2 half days and working one day is pretty good. I can tell you having the squad taping the targets causes way more reshoots then we get at our Nationals. When i worked the Nationals in BC i gave out 1 reshoot. the same year at the US Nationals i gave out over a dozen reshoots.
The other solution is to raise the match fee to like $500 or $600 and pay the CROs more then just hotel room and meals. Cover their transportation and maybe something for them as well.
The other solution is to raise the match fee to like $500 or $600 and pay the CROs more then just hotel room and meals. Cover their transportation and maybe something for them as well.
