20g O/U reccomendations

+1 for the used B gun argument. Buy once cry once. Never understood why people would shy away from using a gun in the field because it’s “too nice”. I mean I’d get it if it were a hand made bespoke British double. But in all likelihood if you have one of them In your hands you can likely afford to use it like the average joe would an 870. We only get one trip on this planet may as well enjoy the nicest gun you can afford.

On a side not if the 20ga is unaffordable but the same gun in 12 is affordable. It’s very easy to load a 12 down to 20ga levels and aside from gun heft you’d never know the difference.
 
I bought a older Browning Superposed Lightening a couple years ago for $1400. A little more then what you want to spend but it is an amazingly light and points like a dream. Could easily carry it all day long grouse hunting.
 
I just bought a Char;es Daly 20 gauge from SFRC and it looks pretty good. I shot a box in the gravel pit just to check function and it shoots great.

I'll find out later at the trap range if I like it or not. lol
 
the spank said:
Please explain the difference if a $1200 used B gun or a $1200 new cheap quality gun gets dings and scratches? At least with the B guns you'll stand to get most if not all your investment back years down the road dinged or scratched given the way new ones continue to go up in price and the B guns hold their value? With a $1000-$1200 budget you're not buying a gold inlaid hand engraved $30,000 safe queen, you're buying a good quality well built entry level B gun. You aren't going to get that quality in the turkish guns or budget guns. The scratches and dings argument to me always falls flat on it's face and just makes me shake my head and laugh. Buy a gun that by design is actually far superior in carrying and throwing to your shoulder and balanced for swinging the way a bird gun is designed to do not like a plank with a piece of gas pipe for barrels.
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Absolutely correct!
 
Alternatively, go out and buy a cheap Turkish gun, most of them show some decent bling, which is very important in the field. You could get a used one for +/- $500. Hack around with it for a few years, and learn about fit, maintenance, etc. If used for hunting only, chances are you will shoot less than a box or two of shells a year, so the gun should serve you well. If it breaks, well, you havent paid too much for it... At that point, you can decide as to whether you want to buy a serious shotgun or not.
BTW - The Charles Daly shotguns were, at one time made by Miroku - the same company that makes the Browning citori.
 
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cosmic said:
Alternatively, go out and buy a cheap Turkish gun, most of them show some decent bling, which is very important in the field. You could get a used one for +/- $500. Hack around with it for a few years, and learn about fit, maintenance, etc. If used for hunting only, chances are you will shoot less than a box or two of shells a year, so the gun should serve you well. If it breaks, well, you havent paid too much for it... At that point, you can decide as to whether you want to buy a serious shotgun or not.
BTW - The Charles Daly shotguns were, at one time made by Miroku - the same company that makes the Browning citori.
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Charles Daly exist today as a gun brand because for the first 60 years the brand Charles Daly was used, it was put on guns of the highest quality made by the best in the business. A Lindner made Daly can be at least equal in quality to any London Best. I have a Charles Daly 20 gauge and similar models for sale in the US range in asking price from $24K to $42K usd. They have been made by Sauer, Francotte, W & C Scott, J &W Tolley and Miroku, just to name some. The product that carries the name today doesn’t deserve the name.

Some ask questions like this and seem to be asking more for permission for their desired course of action than to truly learn from the advice being given. Not specifically saying the OP is doing that, just that it’s common in these threads. The consensus advice is always pretty much the same. Buy the B gun that fits. Buy new or buy used, whatever your pocketbook can handle. It’s always good advice. Those who follow it will be pleased. Those who think they can outsmart it may be pleased. YMMV.
 
canvasback said:
Charles Daly exist today as a gun brand because for the first 60 years the brand Charles Daly was used, it was put on guns of the highest quality made by the best in the business. A Lindner made Daly can be at least equal in quality to any London Best. I have a Charles Daly 20 gauge and similar models for sale in the US range in asking price from $24K to $42K usd. They have been made by Sauer, Francotte, W & C Scott, J &W Tolley and Miroku, just to name some. The product that carries the name today doesn’t deserve the name.

Some ask questions like this and seem to be asking more for permission for their desired course of action than to truly learn from the advice being given. Not specifically saying the OP is doing that, just that it’s common in these threads. The consensus advice is always pretty much the same. Buy the B gun that fits. Buy new or buy used, whatever your pocketbook can handle. It’s always good advice. Those who follow it will be pleased. Those who think they can outsmart it may be pleased. YMMV.
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I wanted more stuff to read about as there is like, a whole lot.
 
Well - The OP could refine his search by deciding whether he wants:

- single or double triggers?
- extractors or ejectors?
- aluminum vs steel receiver?
- fixed chokes vs removeable chokes?
- warranty and/or parts and repair service in Canada?

The last point would be a major consideration for me. I own several shotguns of the B type, but also others such as Brno, Baikals, Win 101 etc. I shoot them all, and enjoy them for what they are. I have noticed that both Browning and Beretta have been very successful in their marketing efforts over the last few years, and have been able to ramp up their pricing for their guns substantially. A new 686/687 is now running north of 2700$, with used running around the 2K mark, and they aint no beauty queens. On balance, this does give the opportunity for new players to come into the market. With western trained engineers and CNC machinery, some Turkish manufacturers are putting out a pretty good product. This is vindicated by the fact that several established manufacturers (CZ, Savage, Mossberg, Bernardelli, etc) are outsourcing to them. I have recently been caught up with the "Turkish Bug" and am toying around with the purchase of one of the Churchill Orcaps, as it has the features I like, and has curb appeal. However, as I stated earlier, service in Canada would be a prime consideration.
 
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drpestilence said:
Slowly starting to look at adding a 20g O/U to my collection with the intention of hunting grouse and am wondering what folks like (and what may be available as that seems to be a tough nut with my initial searching).

I'll be borrowing a Mossberg Silver Reserve II soon but what else should I keep my eyes peeled for?
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I bought a Savage 20ga O/U with 26" barrels last year. It came with 5 chokes,it's light and fast swinging. I own 12ga Remmies I use for waterfowl. This little shotgun is a sweetie for upland.
 
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