.22 Ammo Stash
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JACKSMYDOG
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Haldimand County, Ontario
1. The lead used for pellets is significantly softer, and will deform and leave more fouling.
2. Because the pellets are travelling at higher velocity, they heat up significantly more, which increases the effects of fouling.
3. Fouling is bad, because it can effectively constrict the bore, which will increase the pressure curve as constricted rounds require more energy to be pushed down the barrel.
4. Loading a .22 in this way will inevitably lead to variances in the gap between the round and the charge, which can again increase the pressure curve in the chamber.
5. Increased pressure curves, over time, can increase the wear and tear on the firing mechanism, increasing the chance of a catastrophic failure of the bolt.
6. Nailer blanks, depending on which ones you use, can be loaded a lot "hotter" than a typical .22 round.
Basically, it comes down to fouling and pressure curves. Fouling will generally speaking only affect accuracy, but severe fouling (the chances of which are increased by firing this kind of shot) will cause constriction and increase the pressure curve. Add into this the charge/projectile gap, the fact that nailer blanks can be loaded to levels well outside the tolerance of a normal .22, and you're adding in some fairly significant unknown variables that can cause grief.
There was a whole discussion about this in another thread at some point last year. A number of CGN'ers have tried it, and although no one came to grief, the general consensus was that accuracy sucked, the pellets sometimes litteraly dissolved/fragmented as they went down the barrel, and those that tried it ended up with severely fouled barrels that were a pain to clean out.
So true. I couldn't agree more. Why anyone needs more than 4-5 bricks (2000-3000 rounds) of .22 is beyond any rational persons thinking. Paranoid, greedy and selfish.
Well you obviously never shoot enough .22 . 2000 to 3000 rounds is normal if you have family to shoot with you.
last time i bought ammo i bought a case. so thats 5k rounds right there. i still had some left over from my last case. so in total at once time i have over 8k rounds. when you buy by the case it all adds up. i go through it though. it doesnt just sit there. each time i get shooting its at least 400 rounds.
Alright fair enough, but when I see pics with 50 bricks of ammo its seems like overkill.
400 rounds of .22 to shoot in an afternoon is a lot for me, what are you rapid fire shooting butler creek mags I guess?
To clarify if you are using all your ammo I wouldn't find it odd. I'm just saying I find the guys who hoard 50 bricks as contributing to the "shortage" and driving up the price.
400 rounds of .22 to shoot in an afternoon is a lot for me, what are you rapid fire shooting butler creek mags I guess?
To clarify if you are using all your ammo I wouldn't find it odd. I'm just saying I find the guys who hoard 50 bricks as contributing to the "shortage" and driving up the price.
Call
CGN frequent flyer
I've stopped buying; Sail wants $4.99 for a box of 50 rounds that was $2.49 a couple of years ago, and the Federal 525 boxes at Al Simmons in Hamilton are 50% more than the last time I bought them there.
I only look in on this thread every couple of weeks. Why? I can't even get anything but crappy Winchester Bulk Pack (that prints like buckshot from my 22s) or oily/waxy/overpriced SK Standard. Only my bolt gun likes that, the semi doesn't. I have some difficulty paying for shipping to buy from an online dealer, as it tends to be pricey to ship lead~go figure. lol (not that there is much CCI out there that I can find) Then I click into this thread and see photos of ammo stashes and I find it quite irritating. Hoarding? Hoarding AND bragging? Got while the gettin' was good...and now bragging about it? Not sure what the motive is, but it sure rubs me the wrong way. Back when there was ammo on the shelves and I heard rumblings about a shortage coming..I didn't gobble-up every ounce of ammo I saw on shelves (naively) thinking "save some for the next guy, I'll buy another brick in a few weeks". So much for being a nice guy about it. No CCI SV or LR HP to be found anywhere.
Intedserve
CGN Regular
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- Unionville, Ontario, L3R8H4
Cabelas with free shipping right now ... Federal Bulk, CCI, etc ... lots with mostly reasonable prices when compared to most retailers ....
there is also something to be said for the guys who SAW the writing on the wall,,and decided to PREPARE for it,,,that's not hoarding,,that's just being smart and not wanting to pay the inflated prices that were coming,,now guys that DIDN"T take the warning seriously are scrounging and pissed off at the guys who DID take the warning seriously,,,we've known about this coming shortage for 2 years now,,a bit late to be complaining,and now there's people out there just STARTING to hoard at these ridiculous prices because they think the next year might see even higher prices,,but i doubt this GOUGING by dealers will last that much longer,,stock is starting to come back with more regularity so it may go back to normal by mid summer,,,MAYBE,,we can only hope,,,LOL
if you are doing the 1MOA games you are going through 20 rounds each try. so even doing 10 pages is 200 rounds. maybe a mag or two of rapid fire is another 50. its easy to blow though 400 rounds if you are out shooting for 3-4 hours. hell, 400 rounds in 3 hours is only an average of 1 shot every 27s.
exactly.
i suspect alot of the shortage was caused by people (mainly the states) who don't normally buy 22, but started to which overwhelmed the supply that was more then enough for the people who bought it regularly, then it snow balled from there. if the demand was going to stay this high, companies would be building new factories to match the demand, but it won't stay this high and therefore it's not worth the money to build a new plant only to have people stop buying as much. my stash seems to consist mainly of ammo people don't seem to like, (Winchester and Remington) so i have no guilt for buying what i did. i've never cleaned a store out of one type of ammo, there was always more on the shelf (before purchase limits where in effect).
JACKSMYDOG
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Haldimand County, Ontario
Hoarder is thrown around way too often. The root of the shortage is not the small percentage of people who have 20K on hand. I ordered most of mine in 2011 from a wholesaler, before I knew anything about a shortage. The goal was to get a discount, and the convenience of being able to go shooting 24/7, without worrying about ammo each time. Which BTW has been quite successful, I paid $0.0610/Mini-Mag and $0.087/Velocitor, both are selling about double that cost now. I remember seeing skids of 22LR ammo in stores a few years back. That didn't change because of a few people with 20K stock piles.
Last year I sold 7,000 extra Velocitors from my 2011 order. I ordered a case each for 2 friends with my order, but they changed their minds when it arrived. In October I sold them to another friend who was in need of ammo, and I sold it at my cost.
The CCI Quiet sat on the EE for a couple weeks before I bought it.
I also bought many cases of Norinco 5.56 when it was $300 tax in for a case. My buddies were asking why and I told them, one day it would be gone and I don't like paying $0.50 a round for factory ammo. Now they offer me $400/case.
I have a case of 38spl and 1.5 cases of 40S&W, but no firearm in either caliber yet. I traded/bought them because the price/deal was good. Chances are I will have a shooter for both one day, but if not I can easily get back what I have invested in them.
I just bought 5,000 rounds of 9mm too, but that’s only 8 months.
I call it smart shopping and being prepared, you call it hoarding, greed, whatever. Ammo has gone up consistently since I’ve been shooting, and I can't see much of a price drop anytime soon, if ever again. When good deal become available, it is only prudent to take advantage and save money on something you may use, even if not immediately.
Last year I sold 7,000 extra Velocitors from my 2011 order. I ordered a case each for 2 friends with my order, but they changed their minds when it arrived. In October I sold them to another friend who was in need of ammo, and I sold it at my cost.
The CCI Quiet sat on the EE for a couple weeks before I bought it.
I also bought many cases of Norinco 5.56 when it was $300 tax in for a case. My buddies were asking why and I told them, one day it would be gone and I don't like paying $0.50 a round for factory ammo. Now they offer me $400/case.
I have a case of 38spl and 1.5 cases of 40S&W, but no firearm in either caliber yet. I traded/bought them because the price/deal was good. Chances are I will have a shooter for both one day, but if not I can easily get back what I have invested in them.
I just bought 5,000 rounds of 9mm too, but that’s only 8 months.
I call it smart shopping and being prepared, you call it hoarding, greed, whatever. Ammo has gone up consistently since I’ve been shooting, and I can't see much of a price drop anytime soon, if ever again. When good deal become available, it is only prudent to take advantage and save money on something you may use, even if not immediately.
