22 ARC

Meroh said:
It shoots well, no doubt. It is a new cartridge, and when the dust settles and the excitement dies down in a year or two, I wonder how many of the new .22s will be standing? I looked at a lot of comprehensive reloading data for .22 Arc, .22 Creed, and the venerable old .22-250 which I have always considered the gold standard of .22s. The Creed more or less holds it's own with the .22-250 when using heavy bullets. Neither the arc or the Creed could keep up with the .22-250 with light bullets (this is where the 6.5 creed shines), compared to .22-250, the arc falls short performance wise, with heavy bullets (seems it might be case capacity).

Interestingly, compared to the Creed, the .22-250 out performs the Creed using less powder for a given bullet.

While I am glad you are happy with your rifle and a good new cartridge, new is not always better.

It seems I am not the only one reaching these conclusions: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1098705552292695&set=a.619760646853857
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While I can't speak for 22creed, I can say that 22arc is a miraculous cartridge. It's usability in mini / gas gun actions combined with good performance with heavy (85.5gr berger) bullets, I can't see it losing popularity, but rather gaining.

As soon as a short action is inserted into the discussion then yes things change.
 
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Bfranklin said:
While I can't speak for 22creed, I can say that 22arc is a miraculous cartridge. It's usability in mini / gas gun actions combined with good performance with heavy (88gr berger) bullets, I can't see it losing popularity, but rather gaining.

As soon as a short action is inserted into the discussion then yes things change.
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Time will tell how long the feeding frenzy continues. The gas operated argument is moot at this point here in Canada. For those who shoot lots and for a long time short vs. standard action is not a big deal.

Calling any cartridge "miraculous" is silly. It reminds me of the feeding frenzy and BS that surrounded the 6.5 creed when it came out. A guy boasted that here that he has shot deer out past 1000 yards, and they drop where they stand. There were a lot of posts made about the magical, miraculous, divinely inspired 6.5 creed. So good it was, you merely had to discharge it and Kodiak Bear and Cape Buffalo would simply die instantly upon hearing the report.
 
Meroh said:
Time will tell how long the feeding frenzy continues. The gas operated argument is moot at this point here in Canada. For those who shoot lots and for a long time short vs. standard action is not a big deal.

Calling any cartridge "miraculous" is silly. It reminds me of the feeding frenzy and BS that surrounded the 6.5 creed when it came out. A guy boasted that here that he has shot deer out past 1000 yards, and they drop where they stand. There were a lot of posts made about the magical, miraculous, divinely inspired 6.5 creed. So good it was, you merely had to discharge it and Kodiak Bear and Cape Buffalo would simply die instantly upon hearing the report.
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Meh.

I take it you haven't used a 22arc, and certainly not in a gas gun or mini action. Or 6arc for that matter.

Your comments on 6.5creed are also moot, seeing as it is probably in the top 5 most popular cartridges today.

Good luck out there.
 
I will also add.

I'm shooting a Pristine action with a Proof 16.5 barrel, pushing the bergers out at 2880 fps. I happen to have a ton of hornady brass that is disposable in my opinion, so I'm at a pressure level that renders the brass unusable after 1, maybe 2 firings. Once I am through this brass I will slow it down to a more sustainable speed.
 
22 Creed will push the same bullet weight faster than the 22-250 at equal chamber pressure, across the board on all weights. That's just the way things work. About 150 fps +/- between the two rounds.

22 Creed beats the ARC by 350 fps, but after owning both cartridges and putting about 1600 rounds combined through them out to 1000 yards, I view them as much the same thing. The ARC burns a heck of a lot less powder (28 vs 42grs) which is very nice, much milder to shoot and barrel maintenance isn't as critical as it is on the bigger Creed

I own a traditional 22-250 (14 twist 26" barrel) and it shoots 40-60gr bullets well. In the past I have played with a 9 twist 22-250 and it shot handloaded 75gr Amax @ 3300 fps, which of course beats the ARC in performance at the expense of more powder and recoil.


Tough to beat the ARC, at least for me
 
bluedixon said:
Very cool cartridge. Do you mind if I ask what kind of jumps you're using?
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About 30-40 thou off, haven't really started doing too much handloading for this rifle yet to be honest. I bought 640 rounds of factory ammo to build up a good supply of brass, I'm getting close to being full time reloading this spring. I did pick up a 50ct bag of Hornady component brass and they've seen some use, 5 or 6 firings now with 88gr ELDm over a handful of powders but have kinda settled on Viht N550. The most accurate rifle/cartridge I have ever used, hard to not like it

I just picked up a second Proof Sendero 24" 1:7 blank for the future! Love live the 22 ARC, the 22-250 killer! :ROFLMAO:
 
boxhitch said:
new King of .224's ??
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todbartell said:
22 Creed will push the same bullet weight faster than the 22-250 at equal chamber pressure, across the board on all weights. That's just the way things work. About 150 fps +/- between the two rounds.

22 Creed beats the ARC by 350 fps, but after owning both cartridges and putting about 1600 rounds combined through them out to 1000 yards, I view them as much the same thing. The ARC burns a heck of a lot less powder (28 vs 42grs) which is very nice, much milder to shoot and barrel maintenance isn't as critical as it is on the bigger Creed

I own a traditional 22-250 (14 twist 26" barrel) and it shoots 40-60gr bullets well. In the past I have played with a 9 twist 22-250 and it shot handloaded 75gr Amax @ 3300 fps, which of course beats the ARC in performance at the expense of more powder and recoil.


Tough to beat the ARC, at least for me
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Not accordiing to Hodgeon's data.

Pretty much a given that you need more twist for heavier bullets, and if the .22-250 is too much for your, load it down or get a .223. LOL
 
Bfranklin said:
Meh.

I take it you haven't used a 22arc, and certainly not in a gas gun or mini action. Or 6arc for that matter.

Your comments on 6.5creed are also moot, seeing as it is probably in the top 5 most popular cartridges today.

Good luck out there.
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While I have no need and no desire to own a .22 ARC, I do have a lot of experience with a "gas gun", having built one, which I still have, and can no longer use.

The 6.5 Creed has indeed flooded the market with everyone hopping on the band wagon to get in on the profit. In 6.5, they are now about the only abundant choice in "new" rifles, What they done for us guys that shoot the original, and usually superior performance 6.5s is we now have a better selection of availabe projecties for reloading. That is about it. LOL
 
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