22 for Deer

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I picked up a 410 in trade not long ago and was thinking about grabbing some slugs or buckshot for it and saw some penetration testing with the 4-5 pellet buckshot that was eye opening. Figured if it had bird shot for chickens and a few rounds of buckshot in shell holder on butt stock a guy could handle a bear issue if he had to while chasing chickens or even fill a deer tag. After all the research the 4-5 pellet buck is what I'd like to get. After trying to find some ammo for it...I gave up. it will sit in the safe awhile lol, will keep taking the old single shot 20 gauge for the chickens

I think the buckshot wins this one, the 9mm too, won't argue the .22 can't get it done and it did so by skill and precision.
 
Longstud said:
So we have learned you know zero about shotguns or really any firearm. First it was the patterns with buckshot suck because tighter chokes are required, your words. Any competent shotgunner patterns their gun with whatever choke produces the best pattern. PERIOD They also know their effective range by doing so. Buckshot pellets are not lighter than the standard 40 grain rimfire round, so wrong again! The muzzle velocities are for all purposes relatively equal. So Id assume even you could do the math of 8/9 pellets is greater than 1 40 grain rimfire round. Many shotguns can easily place all the buckshot in a 10 inch plate at 30 yards or beyond. As far as advocating the use of rimfires for deer hunting in this day and age puts you into two classes and neither are complimentary. POACHER/IDIOT. Just to enlighten you the weight of 00 buck is 53.8-60.0 grains per pellet so a 9 pellet load is gonna weigh 484.2-540 grains. Would you like me to give you a physics lesson while we are at it!! PS Joel has been added to my like list and you not sooooh much
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10" patterns at 30 yards from Buckshot are few and far between.

000 is the only Buckshot worth anything beyond 20 yards.
 
blakeyboy said:
I picked up a 410 in trade not long ago and was thinking about grabbing some slugs or buckshot for it and saw some penetration testing with the 4-5 pellet buckshot that was eye opening. Figured if it had bird shot for chickens and a few rounds of buckshot in shell holder on butt stock a guy could handle a bear issue if he had to while chasing chickens or even fill a deer tag. After all the research the 4-5 pellet buck is what I'd like to get. After trying to find some ammo for it...I gave up. it will sit in the safe awhile lol, will keep taking the old single shot 20 gauge for the chickens

I think the buckshot wins this one, the 9mm too, won't argue the .22 can't get it done and it did so by skill and precision.
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Ain't no news that 22s in the right place kill things.

The rest? I kinda hope its trolling hahaha. The "proclaim something to be true and make no argument to support it at all" MO here can't be real.

You can spit 25-30 yards. If 00 Buck doesn't work at that range anymore? There's news to just about everyone!

Still absolutely no rationale as to why 9mm is inferior to a 22.
 
My Winchester 1400 with cylinder bore patterns consistently into 8" at 30 yds with Federal Premium 2 3/4" 00 buck loads. It's my go-to combo for bush work.
The only way to duplicate or exceed the the effective killing power of a 12 ga buckshot load with a .22 LR is to use an American 180 full auto carbine. But
we don't live in Texas.

I've tried out one of these yrs ago and they are too much fun.
 
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SHELL SHUCKER said:
My Winchester 1400 with cylinder bore patterns consistently into 8" at 30 yds with Federal Premium 2 3/4" 00 buck loads. It's my go-to combo for bush work.
The only way to duplicate or exceed the the effective killing power of a 12 ga buckshot load with a .22 LR is to use an American 180 full auto carbine. But
we don't live in Texas.
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In your experiece has 00 Buck started to suck past 20 yards? lol


bcsteve said:
Have a look at our own Brobee's test with buckshot.

https://youtu.be/S546W_L0tFo
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Someone tell all the deer he puts in the freezer with 00 buck, on video, that it sucks at the ranges he shoots them at and they ain't really dead....
 
Tell me again how Buckshot or the 9mm outpenetrates the 22.

Relying on 3 random pellets at 40 yards is much more ethically questionable than using a 22 at 40 yards.

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First your chart is for the .22 Win Mag, not LR. Second, more then half of your chart still show less penetration the the buckshot and 9mm charts that Joel and I posted. Just walk away.
 
Joel said:
In your experiece has 00 Buck started to suck past 20 yards? lol
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Not at all really until past 30 yds. The pattern spread opens to an unacceptable spread for my liking. For example, I beaned a few rabbits and raccoons out
around 40 yds and most of 'em only had 2-3 pellet hits, though it was enough to anchor the buggers. I aim for the upper neck & head junction on deer
and coons. Worked fine fer me.
 
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bcsteve said:
First your chart is for the .22 Win Mag, not LR. Second, more then half of your chart still show less penetration the the buckshot and 9mm charts that Joel and I posted. Just walk away.
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The WMR in a handgun has significant overlap with the LR in a rifle.

And so half the chart has more penetration...

I know that a small deer at 12 yards will stop 00 Buckshot.
 
Gatehouse said:
I still want to know why anyone thinks that rimfire restrictions are to keep poor people from going hunting?
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So you think that no handgun hunting in Kanaderp, or no Centerfire 22's in various Jurisdictions or nothing above 270 in parts of Ontario, or BC requiring 2000 ft/lbs at 100 yards for Bison, while Utah requires 500 ft/lbs at 100 yards for hunting Bison with a handgun or yes or no to rimfires for turkey are all anything but arbitrary?
 
0faustus0 said:
Ok ... so everybody is talking about these nice buckshot patterns .... I guess it is time that we see some proof of thos patterns. Post you targets ... with distance, load, gun and choke ...
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From my testing, only a full choke with 000 is worth anything past 20-25 yards.
 
0faustus0 said:
Ok ... so everybody is talking about these nice buckshot patterns .... I guess it is time that we see some proof of thos patterns. Post you targets ... with distance, load, gun and choke ...
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Dude post yours with flite control! Including the ones that bust the myth of not shooting it through chokes tighter than Cyl!
 
MiG25 said:
From my testing, only a full choke with 000 is worth anything past 20-25 yards.
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Well ... I have seen some nice patterns with #1 buckshot at 50 meters .... but I never achieved those patterns with my guns ... This is the best I ever got ...

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