22 for Deer
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Okay, buckshot and 22 penetration. Sure, a 22 can outpenetrate 00 buckshot pretty easily, but some can't too. Depends on the 22 and the bullet in question. A long rifle shootin a hollow point that expands past .30" is probably gonna do about the same or worse than a 00 buck pellet....with an advantage to the 22 bullet the farther out you go.
9mm? Again, the more that 22 bullet opens up, the less impressive the penentration is going to be. So sometimes the 9mm wins, sometimes it does not.
Here's the thing though. There's still been absolutely no reasoning on a 22 outperforming a 9mm by any rationale except penetration. Which really isn't all that important here. A deer is not a thick animal. Its not particularly hard to reach their vitals. So just to get this right, a smaller bullet with less energy that opens nowhere near as wide is a better killer?
How, exactly? lol.
And again, so 7.62x39 FMJ is a great thing to go deer hunting with? Hey its already as wide as the fully expanded 22 bullets and it sure does penetrate! Lets go body shoot some deer with it, why not.
9mm? Again, the more that 22 bullet opens up, the less impressive the penentration is going to be. So sometimes the 9mm wins, sometimes it does not.
Here's the thing though. There's still been absolutely no reasoning on a 22 outperforming a 9mm by any rationale except penetration. Which really isn't all that important here. A deer is not a thick animal. Its not particularly hard to reach their vitals. So just to get this right, a smaller bullet with less energy that opens nowhere near as wide is a better killer?
How, exactly? lol.
And again, so 7.62x39 FMJ is a great thing to go deer hunting with? Hey its already as wide as the fully expanded 22 bullets and it sure does penetrate! Lets go body shoot some deer with it, why not.
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I think that no rimfires for deer or other big game is a pretty standard regulation among most, if not all provinces and states and it's unlikely that the reason it was implemented in all these jurisdictions was the income level of hunters.
I've seen a groundhog walk away from a 22lr shot through the shoulder at 30 yards. Hit a deer in the shoulder and see what happens. You'd have to be an a$$h0le to hunt big game with a 22 rimfire. As for "ethics go out the window in survival situations" or "when your family is starving" or whatever other far-fetched scenario others have posted above, the guy in the photo doesn't look like he's starving - he just looks like an idiot that shot a deer with a 22lr. Also, last time I looked, you can get a perfectly functional used 30-06 or 303 for about $250-$300, so the "cost" issue is also a silly justification. Forgive the rant, I just can't stand this sort of behavior - gives all of us serious, ethical hunters a bad reputation.
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A favorite YouTube'r Ron Spomer, had a video about taking a nice buck with a 22-250 AI. Somewhat of a troll his comments video. But think of it, the 250-3000....aka 250 Savage is the parent case. Ones .223, the other .257. At short range a 22 centerfire would work, with three qualifiers. Firstly, do you have the self discipline to know the ethical distance limits. Secondly, bullet construction, almost all 22 centerfire bullets are frangible, designed for varmits or predators. Thirdly, shot placement, slide it through the ribs avoiding bullet blowup on a major bone.
Nosler makes a 60gr partition, a Barnes monumental would also be good
Nosler makes a 60gr partition, a Barnes monumental would also be good
BC may have been the first Jurisdiction to ban 22 Rimfires and it was because everyone could afford one. As near as I can tell, the 25 and 32 Rimfires remained legal in BC, Yukon, and Manitoba until they became obsolete.
Certainly into the 90's the 22LR was legal in Montana for all Big Game.
The 22-250 puts Deer on the ground like they were hit by lightning.
I know a guy that killed a Grizzy with a 22-250 circa 1990 no fuss no muss, while there's a guy on this forum that lost a Grizzly with a 8mm Remington Magnum. So actually being able to shoot is a large qualifier for any hunting.
I have shot several Deer with a 22-250. With 50-55 gr bullets ! Kills GREAT with LUNG shots . RJ
22 centrefire hasn’t been legal in Saskatchewan for very long so most use a proper deer rifle. We killed one buck with a 22-250 64 grain power point, worked great. If I was strictly meat hunting deer 223 or 22-250 would work fine.
Far fewer people shot mistaken for game now for sure. Shocking how blaze orange jumps out at dawn or dusk compared to normal clothing. Granted those doing the mistaken shooting were idiots but there are always going to be a few of them in the woods no matter what. I began hunting before the orange rule and have to say I feel a little nervous to be out in the woods cutting wood etc. without orange on now.
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My post was about, where is the ethical line. Obviously a centerfire 22 at 3500ft/sec is different than a 22lr at 1200.
These threads pop up from time to time. Troll threads or discussion. Not my place to imply motive to the op.
Near here, on some southern gulf islands and southern Vancouver Island its buckshot( OO as min). Built up, lush overgrown suburbia. So again I'm not implying motivation, but assume it's to avoid over penetration into homes.
Pretty much any maintained road here is 15m (50ft) from the centre line, numbered hwys 400m(1/4mile). Two reasons, first they don't want idiots shooting down roads, second the meter maids in uniform have two functions.... kill fauns and generate revenue.
These threads pop up from time to time. Troll threads or discussion. Not my place to imply motive to the op.
Near here, on some southern gulf islands and southern Vancouver Island its buckshot( OO as min). Built up, lush overgrown suburbia. So again I'm not implying motivation, but assume it's to avoid over penetration into homes.
Pretty much any maintained road here is 15m (50ft) from the centre line, numbered hwys 400m(1/4mile). Two reasons, first they don't want idiots shooting down roads, second the meter maids in uniform have two functions.... kill fauns and generate revenue.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Alberta had a blaze orange requirement at one time and dropped it, and there was no increase in the number of "accidental" shootings.
Imo, blaze orange is a crutch, a poor substitute for proper safety training. A hunter should always know exactly what he's shooting at... species, ###, even age... and should know what's beyond the target. There's really no excuse.
Even the lads collecting shopping cars at grocery stores wear safety vests.
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If you had done some research, you'd have read that in almost every instance the common reason they were banned is due to their low report for poaching game, and poachers also don't care about spoilage of meat. To claim that a 22LR is an adequate big game caliber is ludicrous.
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