22 for Deer
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Please post your evidence then.
That's interesting logic.
You should go get a booster shot, the Govt recommends it. The Bureaucrats said over 100 years ago that society in general would benefit from banning 22's because all the Riff Raff has one.
Translation: "I have absolutely no evidence but will not admit that. Here, have some rhetoric and a topic change."
And it had nothing to do with the fact that 22 rimfires are much more likely to condemn animals to lingering, crappy deaths if a shot isn't just perfect, I am sure.
Why would managers want to insist on better tools being used for the job?
Why would managers want to insist on better tools being used for the job?
Do you have any evidence of this? People talk about finding 22 bullets in animals they bagged, which would obviously mean the first incident was not fatal.
The only animals known to have been hit and then not recovered that I have seen were all with the 30-06.
Anyone that has ever "missed" may have wounded an animal that got away.
Clearly the 30-06 is inferior to the 22 then!
It doesn't take runnning out and wounding and losing a bunch of game to know that tiny, drinking straw diamter holes are not effective killers unless they are placed in absolutely critical places. That's asinine.
They don't collapse lungs quickly, they don't cause major bleeding through massive cavitation, they just bore simple, barely bigger than caliber sized holes through things. No loss of blood pressure, no loss of oxygen to the brain, in anything that one might call a humane amount of time. The mechanism of bullets in killing things is hardly unknown.
Use your head here.
People are finding deer with 22 bullets in them because they were not hit in or through the vitals. "It wasn't lethal the first time". No schidt! What about if you pull a shot a few inches back? Or high? A 30-06? Dead deer all day. With quite a bit more blood trail and sign to go on, you think? I do. That deer with a 22? Never said it doesn't kill them. Just not humanely. Those ones go to scavengers. Ask a bear, a buzzard or anything else that eats dead and rotting deer if IT ever found one with a 22 bullet in it or through it.
Or do sucking chest wounds, 22 cal holes in the liver, fecal matter slowly leaking into an abdominal cavity, etc magically heal?
"But they get lost with a 30-06!"
Can't believe what the ##### I read here some days lol
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Because they don't want anyone who makes less than $600,000 a year with at least one "Lord" in their family tree to hunt buffalo.
Are you arguing that laws are ofte arbitrary and dumb or archaic in general, or are you arguing that the 22 was banned to prevent the poor from hunting?
I've found a few, sub legal animals shot and left, BC has horn point restrictions on a few species, I've never found an animal that appeared to be shot with a 22.
It's clear that 22 Hollowpoints can meet the FBI standard, expand beyond 1.5x and penetrate 12"+, a standard that was likely wrote to exclude the 9mm.
IMO the WMR is superior to Buckshot, which is legally mandated in some areas.
Heck, you'll even have guys on this forum, almost always from Jurisdictions that ban them, claim 22 Centerfires are inadequate.
It's clear that 22 Hollowpoints can meet the FBI standard, expand beyond 1.5x and penetrate 12"+, a standard that was likely wrote to exclude the 9mm.
IMO the WMR is superior to Buckshot, which is legally mandated in some areas.
Heck, you'll even have guys on this forum, almost always from Jurisdictions that ban them, claim 22 Centerfires are inadequate.
The 22 was banned in BC as a Roadblock to people who could only afford a $2 gun. One year they even closed the deer season because the Miners were on strike and would have time to hunt.
Arbitrary is the name of the game, look how Sask recently banned the 45 Colt for hunting.
So ANY projectile that expands to 1.5" regardless of original diameter, and can bore through 12"+ is just great for big game?
Well, if it opens to a whole .3" and goes deeper than a foot, why not...
The Miami shootout called. They want their 40 year old opinions of 9mm back...today's is a little different. And it was still better than a 22 back then lol.
Well, if it opens to a whole .3" and goes deeper than a foot, why not...
The Miami shootout called. They want their 40 year old opinions of 9mm back...today's is a little different. And it was still better than a 22 back then lol.
I've never said great. I'd argue that, especially the WMR, is superior to the 12, 16, or 20 gauge with Buckshot.
Show me the study that the 22 wounds Game that gets away and dies a lingering death that the Game Depts relied on. You won't find it because it doesn't exist. They were concerned that every Whiteman, Indian and Chinaman had a 22.
So we're just completely bailing on the 9mm is inferior to 22s again?
Show me ANY proof to support your case that you are right about why it was banned.
Do that and I'll concede. Right here, right now I'll say sorry, you're right MiG. If you can ask me, I can ask you
In the meantime, anything that says 22 lr or WMR that isn't in the brain can be counted on to be as humane a killer as more powerful, centerfire rounds. Surely if it is so there must be proof of that as well? Any documentation?
Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of wounding and killing game shouldn't have to ask lol. That tiny hole does not alter "blood goes round and round/air goes in and out" unless its placed with extreme precision and there is little room for error. Sorry, that's from everyone being familiar with basic anatomy and what it takes to kill anything.
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So a shot that hits lungs a bit far back with a 22 rimfire is the same as a 243, a 308 etc? Given what bigger/more powerful rounds can do, seems their "good shot" describes a circle of about 6 inches in diameter. Perhaps a bit bigger. Is the same true for the 22?
What about high shoulder?
And what is this "smack"? How is it defined? How does a larger bullet that opens to much larger diameters with more energy behind it creating less "smack" it seems quite magical.
What about high shoulder?
And what is this "smack"? How is it defined? How does a larger bullet that opens to much larger diameters with more energy behind it creating less "smack" it seems quite magical.
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