.22 lr or wmr???

Sounds like you should be shopping for a .22lr. If it's your first gun, I'd suggest you buy a bolt action. Most accurate for the money, safe, and easiest to clean. CB longs are not silent, but quiet if the barrel is full/proper length.

Compared to airguns~similar to some, louder than most. Spring-piston (break-barrel) air rifles are very quiet, and available at over 500fps (PAL required). The good ones are expensive, and require airgun-rated scopes. PCP, or any CO2/pneumatic air guns go off with quite a "crack" sound and yes...some high-power PCP guns (again, PAL req.) are comparable to the sound made by CB longs..dare I say, sometimes louder. SO, for the money...assuming you've done your homework on discharge laws in your area, I'd say a .22lr is your best bet. It'll also be cheaper to buy/scope than high-powered air guns. Make sure the gun is chambered for .22 lr and .22 long, or you may be forced to load them one at a time. Look for rifles with tubular magazines (check the data stamp on the barrel) or single shot rifles.

BTW~I'm no fan of .22WMR. More punch for close-in shooting than .22lr, but the same noise as .17 HMR with less accuracy/distance. This is anecdotal advice, based on 2+ decades of .22lr shooting, and one season of .17 HMR!
 
what a laugh im taking my sister out to do a 22lr shoot!

well i dont know about cb or bb ammunition be really quite ( the Remington sub sonic ammo would be your best bet but its still sounds like a loud clap) but i'd stick with the 22lr. do to ammunition prices and rifle costs as well!
 
Your location is listed as Peterborough Ont, So, I checked the BY-laws and I don't see anything about being able to use a Shutgun.... Only a complete prohibition on discharging firarms, with exemtions for police and small animal control officers.
I am not trying to be a jerk here, but get your facts straight and check your information with a reliable source before posting on a a public forum.

If you have neighbors within a 1/2 mile, there is no caliber commonly available that they will not hear. To me, it would not be worth getting caught and having unlawful discharge on my record and a possible firearms prohibition slapped on me..... but that is me.



Newhunter1 said:
The city I live in is very rural, and I live in the northern limits. You are allowed to use a shotgun. I originally considered buying a good pellet gun for pest (squirrel) control but that would still technically be considered breaking the law at over 500 fps. I've heard cb and bb cap ammo for .22s only slightly exceeds 700fps and is quiet. Maybe I should just be a good law abiding citizen and use 12 ga slugs at over 1000 fps.
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Kevin M. said:
I would not say that... My club does a metal "Piggy shoot" every Saturday on our 200 yard range.

.22LR only. The metal pig target is about 3" across, 10 sighter shots, and 10 shots for score, and I think the usual high score is 8 or 9 out of 10 on a calm day.

Food for thought.
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Would the round have much power left for killing humanly at the range?
 
I guess that the gophers just die of fright as the bullet falls at thier feet...lol. The bullet retains enough momentum to take gopher heads apart at 200. And hit hard enough that they ring a 12 inch gong so it can be heard at the benches. Do not underestimate the small bullet even out at 300. There are many threads showing just what they can do.
 
Winnipeg Toymaker said:
I guess that the gophers just die of fright as the bullet falls at thier feet...lol. The bullet retains enough momentum to take gopher heads apart at 200. And hit hard enough that they ring a 12 inch gong so it can be heard at the benches. Do not underestimate the small bullet even out at 300. There are many threads showing just what they can do.
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HAHA awesome then!
 
Last time I was at the range with 4 of my 22lrs I was handed some subsonics. I shot them off at a 25m target just for kicks but all I heard was the pin strike and the round hitting the target. I couldnt believe how quiet it was. Then again all I shoot is CCI Minimags and my CZ452 is set to zero at 100m per CCI site spec. I have a Nikon scope on the rifle and it chews the bull out of the targets at that range. I have always thought of 22lr as a 50yd round. I also have a CF 22 for longer shots and heavier game. Between the 22lr and the 223 any varmint I come across is in serious trouble if I do my part. Have another 22 on the way due next week and my wife has a 9422 as well. Big smiley there. I will ALWAYS have a 22lr somewhere and likely the CZ452 I have right now fer sure.
 
22wmr, butchers best friend in full metal jacket, if you practice raising large animals at home like I do then the wmr is your best choice for dispatching humanly. I wouldn't use it for pinking, but I would take it for a walk grousing. best deal I ever found was the H&R Sportster, cost me 180.00$ with taxes. CZ now offers one in semi-auto for 500.00$
 
My foolish posting was based on a lack of preparation and research. I stand corrected. Thanks for your help everyone. Im putting off my first firearm purchase until i have better plans.
 
Until the Angels Fall said:
Would the round have much power left for killing humanly at the range?
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Well according to JBM Ballistics (www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi), a 40gr round nose solid with a MV of 1050 ft/s (subsonic) will still be going 818 ft/s at 200 yds and 742 ft/s at 300 yds. More than enough to kill gopher (squirrel) size varmints. Projectiles with lower MV lose less velocity down range due to reduced wind resistance. Of note, the .22 CBs with 28gr round nose solids come out of the muzzle at 710 ft/s. So getting hit at 300 yds with a subsonic .22 is more devastating than getting point blanked by a CB! :eek:

bogie said:
Last time I was at the range with 4 of my 22lrs I was handed some subsonics. I shot them off at a 25m target just for kicks but all I heard was the pin strike and the round hitting the target. I couldnt believe how quiet it was...
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Bogie, were you wearing hearing protection? Without hearing protection, the pop from a subsonic or CB round can be heard at quite a distance.
 
For a first firearm, the .22 has no equal. The only thing that can even come close to it in versatility, cost, and availability of firearms and ammo is the 12 Gauge, which of course should be the second firearm purchased. ;)

The .22 can be loaded up or down as the situation warrants from CB's up to stinger/velocitor etc. Cost of ammo also can vary from dirt cheap to highly expensive target grade. There is such a huge variety available in the .22LR round that you are really selling yourself short by not owning one.

What a .22 Magnum will do that an LR can't is basically extending the killing range by what? 50-75 Yards. Handy if game steps out at that range, but pretty much useless for cheap plinking or even target shooting.

Don't get me wrong, I plan on adding a WMR to my collection, but the LR definately came first.
 
I didnt read all the posts so sorry if this is repeat info; but dont get a WMR. a .22lr is incredibly versatile, from using CB long which are as silent as my pellet pistol, to CCI velocitor which are almost as powerfull as a .22 mag at 1400+fps and over 200 ftlbs of energy.
What you want to do is spend the extra money you would have spent on the WMR and get a henry frontier model H001T rather than the base H001. That or an older marlin 39. You will not be dissapointed in either of those choices. And as a bonus the lever action .22's will cycle anything from shorts to long and long rifle rounds making them super handy multi purpose guns..
 
Mmmm..... "older Marlin 39". Yup! Happy memories there!

If you want a nice, slick operating levergun that you will still be shooting and happy with when you are 75, that'd probably be the one I'd recommend.

A decent bolt gun like a CZ, in the .17 HMR, for far down the road, and mainly if you are looking to whack groundhogs (adequate) or gophers (acrobatic!), or maybe picking starlings or pigeons off, around a barnyard or orchard.

Definitely worth looking and comparing the price of ammunition, if you are having to scrimp for the rifle. You can buy a brick(500 rounds) of .22 ammo for about the cost of 2 to 3 boxes of fifty rounds each, of the .22 Mag or .17HMR. I still find sales of enough types of .22 ammo at $20 or less a brick. That's lot's of shooting for $20!

Cheers
Trev
 
RememberTheSomme said:
Yea those groups would be streching it for me after the transonic wobble lol.:wave:
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Depends on what gun you are sitting behind. my martini international has shot numerous 3/4" - 1" groups at 100m, and thats with aperture sights... no scope, AND after going transonic. if you use subsonic match grade ammo you dont get that wobble and sub 2" groups are totally achievable at 200m with the right gun/scope combo and the right wind/light conditions.
 
mikeystew said:
Depends on what gun you are sitting behind. my martini international has shot numerous 3/4" - 1" groups at 100m, and thats with aperture sights... no scope, AND after going transonic. if you use subsonic match grade ammo you dont get that wobble and sub 2" groups are totally achievable at 200m with the right gun/scope combo and the right wind/light conditions.
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I agree, achievable if ALL the variables are in your favour ,particularly if the ammo is from a batch that suits your rifle. We have found that to be the most important factor when shooting for accuracy at the longer ranges. I always use the same brand and type of ammo and have had batches that performed superbly and then ,having exhausted those, had a batch of a different lot number that had the grouping ability of a shotgun. All part of the fun of shooting .22s.
 
CROWCA said:
I personally would not waste any money on a 22, I have 3 and they sit and collect dust!
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I had friends that used to think that buying a Cooey or Lakefield Mossburg was an extravagance if using .22. They then shot my Martini Internationals and changed their attitudes and spent the money necessary to own one (or more). I have a selection of high powered rifles but use and enjoy shooting my .22s, usually at 200 metres, a lot more. Maximum fun for the buck.!!!!!!
 
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