.22 lr or wmr???

mikeystew said:
Depends on what gun you are sitting behind. my martini international has shot numerous 3/4" - 1" groups at 100m, and thats with aperture sights... no scope, AND after going transonic. if you use subsonic match grade ammo you dont get that wobble and sub 2" groups are totally achievable at 200m with the right gun/scope combo and the right wind/light conditions.
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You re probaly right . I didn't notice he was shooting a Mossie 144 and if its 27 inches his regular high velocity is probaly subsonic at the muzzle!:wave:
 
A .22 LR rifle is the rifle every man woman and child should have. Its cheap, fun, and the absolute best way to begin your foray into shooting - indefinite practice at the lowest possible cost.

Shooting isnt just something you can step into and be good at; there are 1001 things to 'get used to', refine or otherwise discover for yourself. Thats one hell of a lot easier when you can get 500+ rounds for $25, as opposed to 20 for the same cost in a big bore. Besides, the .22LR is a good general purpose round.

With regard to wanting quiet ammo for within city limits; you're basically asking us if its a good way to get away with something illegal. Dont go there. If you want to shoot, find a range, so you can do so legitimately and realistically, as opposed to setting up cans in your back yard and being on edge as you illegally plink.

CB longs are an interesting round with its own application. However, if using them to hunt small game, do so with caution. They drop squirrels with headshots inside 25 yards, but not body shots. Take this from me. I had the misfortune of getting on in what should have been the 'sweet spot' - to take out the lungs/heart. With a standard/hyper velocity round, it'd have been fine. Instead, it ran off when shot. Squirrel came back 10 minutes later and I put him down with a headshot. When I skinned it - I found the first round stuck between two ribs - counted my lucky stars I'd been able to put the critter down instead of having it suffer.
 
I have been thinking about a lever action in .22wmr as well. I already have 2 semi-auto’s in .22cal, one bolt action and one sub cal kit for my AR. Not to mention .22 pistols and kits for my other pistol. I shoot a lot of .22 and enjoy, however I am getting a hankering for a Lever action and wanted a bit more kick to it than a .22cal and prefer not to have yet another calibre to reload. Also want something I can use to stage people from .22 up to centrefire and .22 wmr is the next cheapest after 7.62x39. haven’t had a lever action since I sold my Ruger 44-40 carbine and am looking to fill the lever niche.

Any comments on the Henry’s accuracy and reliability?
 
bluemike807 said:
A .22 LR rifle is the rifle every man woman and child should have. Its cheap, fun, and the absolute best way to begin your foray into shooting - indefinite practice at the lowest possible cost.

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CB longs are an interesting round with its own application. However, if using them to hunt small game, do so with caution. They drop squirrels with headshots inside 25 yards, but not body shots. Take this from me. I had the misfortune of getting on in what should have been the 'sweet spot' - to take out the lungs/heart. With a standard/hyper velocity round, it'd have been fine. Instead, it ran off when shot. Squirrel came back 10 minutes later and I put him down with a headshot. When I skinned it - I found the first round stuck between two ribs - counted my lucky stars I'd been able to put the critter down instead of having it suffer.
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The .22LR is an inexpensive way to get lots of practice. I find the absolute cheapest practice is with airguns. A can of 500 pellets cost about $4. And with a spring type airgun, you could get a lot of good cheap practice.

I'm shocked to read about the CB round not penetrating squirrel ribs. How far away was it? I've put down over a dozen and witnessed at least another dozen grey squirrels put down with CB or equivalent rounds. Most of the shots were in the boiler room (heart/lung). Those shots all exited the other side. I recall one shot I took from about 20 yards. Mr squirrel decided to turn away at the last moment and the round entered between the ribs and right leg and exited out the left shoulder. I haven't seen any lack of penetration with these rounds.
 
Newhunter1 said:
The city I live in is very rural, and I live in the northern limits. You are allowed to use a shotgun. I originally considered buying a good pellet gun for pest (squirrel) control but that would still technically be considered breaking the law at over 500 fps. I've heard cb and bb cap ammo for .22s only slightly exceeds 700fps and is quiet. Maybe I should just be a good law abiding citizen and use 12 ga slugs at over 1000 fps.
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I have a bb gun rated at 390 fps and have shot many sqirrels and pigeons and 2 crows with it since last summer. If your looking for pest control then you can solve your problem this way. The more powerful pellet guns as I have one are too powerful and injure more than kill pests.
 
Kevin M. said:
I would not say that... My club does a metal "Piggy shoot" every Saturday on our 200 yard range.

.22LR only. The metal pig target is about 3" across, 10 sighter shots, and 10 shots for score, and I think the usual high score is 8 or 9 out of 10 on a calm day.

Food for thought.
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Winnipeg Toymaker said:
I do not know where you get your info, proonur....I have been shooting a .22 Mossberg 144 lsb to well over 200 yards. Not a 12" x 12" steel gong or a paper target. I shoot gophers and with that small target, I deem it comparable to a 2" bull at 200. Some shots have been over 200 and successful. If you do a search, it has been shown that shots over 300 yards are quite common for the .22 LR.

I have never seen the need of a .22WMR for any reason, more power for what? The rifle only shoots to the capabilities of the shooter. 200 yards or beyond for my "lowly" .22 can be appreciated by many that will soon arise I am sure.
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You're both a much better shot than I that's for sure.
I'm just sharing my experience that's all. I've found that it's too much holdover and the cheap ammo I buy to be too inconsistent at anything past 100 with a .22 LR. If you can hit MOA with yours at 200 consistently I find that amazing.

22WMR does an excellent job killing varmints at 100 to 200 yards because it's moving much faster at that range and I have found it much more consistent too with little to no holdover. That's why I say it's superior at range.
 
to be honest,If I started again I would skip the small caliber and go straight into an sks. you will pay the same for the rifle and just have a hell of a time with the gun. Yeah ammo is more but it's alot more fun seeing what the 7.62x39mm round will do to targets.
If you want a .22 for sure I would go with the wmr or even skip that and get a .17hmr, but thats just me going off of what I would do knowing what I did when I started out.
 
check out the Savage .22 LR bolt action rifles.

They are very comfortable to hold and with a stainless heavy bull barrel, you are going to get great accuracy. they are ideal for target shooting, and can be used for hunting.

thought the fact that it's bolt action may be a deterrence to you with regards to hunting.
 
proonur said:
WMR is much, much louder than LR. The performance is much, much better as you can reach out to 200 yards with the WMR, but have no chance in hell of doing it with the LR.
The WMR is for actually hunting coyotes, rabbits and other varmints, while the LR is more about shooting squirrel type animals and just having fun target shooting with ammo that costs about $0.05 per shot compared to $0.25 on a good day with the WMR.
Everyone should have at least one or two 22LR rifles, but there are so many other calibers similar to the WMR that you have a lot of options open to you.
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Wow. I have shot thousands of gophers, hundreds of rabbits, not a small amount of other varmints, and exactly 4 coyotes with a .22LR, and I would still not recommend a .22WMR for actually HUNTING coyotes.
@the OP.
You can shoot out to 200yds without trying too hard. Last year I bought a new Stevens 300 and the next day I shot a gopher at 167yds. Granted it stood there waiting for me to range it with 6 rounds since I had it zeroed for 50yds.
I immediately changed that range to 125yds zero and now shoot them out to 150 without pause. I avg about 2 gophers for every 3 rounds I fire, since the range changes for almost every shot and bulk ammo is not precision, but I have fun. I carry 2 rifles when I go out now and set up. my 10-22 which is way more fun for the close stuff out to 75-80yds, then the Stevens for anything over that. Not to say that the 10-22 can't do the 100yd+ shots, just like the bolt for the better fit.
 
Move out of the city that denies you the ability to shoot.
Do not shoot firearms where it is illegal to do so.
By a .22 LR if you want to punch paper.
Buy a .22 WMR if you want to punch other things.
If you like .17 caliber buy an air rifle.
 
You said you were interested in a lever action. If you can afford it, take a look at the Browning BL-22, these are beautiful little rifles. The lever is "short throw", which means you can work the lever without your hand leaving the grip. You can rattle off shots very quick with it. I bought one new in 1976 for $135. and it still looks like new. I looked up the price and they are now over $500. !
 
Newhunter1 said:
I live in a city where rifle use is not permitted but have read that cb and bb caps are nearly silent. As a result, I like the idea of a rifle that I can use in the city limits with subsonic ammo and out of the city limits with more powerful ammo.
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Do not discharge firearms where it is not legal to do so!
 
I think if you look more closley at the law, and your city by-laws, you will find that discharging a firearm inside city limits is illeagal, period!! Even in Peterborough.
 
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