No, but this obviously isn't a target rifle.
.22 MP5! No not rhineland.
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I'm pretty sure it could hold its own quite well at those 20-25 yard "target" distances.
That's not why people will buy this rifle. It's going to be for fun, and if you're willing to drop over 2000$ for an AR15 with more expensive ammo, restrictive magazine limitations and shooting location requirements, then surely you won't mind paying ~800$ for a (likely) non-restricted rifle with cheap ammo and no magazine or shooting location limitations.
sillymike
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Wow, this is getting a little off topic... people worried about the "lack" of accuracy of a rifle (Using bulk pack promotional ammunition I'm sure) that is not even sold in Canada.
I'm thinking, maybe we should we have a challenge and see how many of these shooters can put ten consecutive shots in 4" circle shooting standing at 50M... If they fail the test, they are obviously not "worthy" enough to be on the waiting list for such a rifle and should move on to another tread
In the mean time, thanks TSE for trying to get these new rifles on the market! It certainly has the potential to be a fun toy...
I'm thinking, maybe we should we have a challenge and see how many of these shooters can put ten consecutive shots in 4" circle shooting standing at 50M... If they fail the test, they are obviously not "worthy" enough to be on the waiting list for such a rifle and should move on to another tread
In the mean time, thanks TSE for trying to get these new rifles on the market! It certainly has the potential to be a fun toy...
I don't mean to imply that you are. The point I am trying to make is that some folks spend $2000 or more on a 22 rifle and $20 for a box of target 22 ammo. Some folks don't see 22s as cheap, but rather different. If you don't, that is fine. The GSG5 is not a target gun, does not cost $2000 and uses any 22 ammo. So it isn't the most expensive 22 by a long shot, and it certainly is different.
Also, just to clarify again as some folks are still trying to order by various other means, the best way to ensure your order is taken is to email me at jamesb@theshootingedge.com If you want a confirmation of receipt, then set your email program to ask for it. I don't have time to answer all the emails coming in.
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The first time I emailed redleg at TSE about getting on the list I didn't get a response. Of course, for a couple of days I couldn't sleep, wondering if I actually made it onto the list. I admit it, I panicked a little bit, and I sent another email with a "Request a delivery receipt for this message" AND a "Request a read receipt for this message". James at TSE graciously sent me an email saying that YES I did make it on the list. Thanks James and sorry for being a pain in the ass. But damit man, if you keep selling cool guns I'm just gonna have to keep emailing you with my credit card info.
Oh by the way I think you had a typo on your email address in the above post. There should be an "S" in between the "E" and the "B".
Thanks again.
Oh by the way I think you had a typo on your email address in the above post. There should be an "S" in between the "E" and the "B".
Thanks again.
I'll take one for the team and let you touch my private bits if you bring these in. Some things in life are worth the "price".
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Why do people buy AR15s at all then?
Well MY $800.00 is already put aside...
Now where exactly did you guys (boys?) get $800 from? Where? Can't hear you... where?
I would love to sell stuff to you guys...
You walk in: "how much for that rifle?"
Me: "Yes, sir, they are going for ..."
You: "$800 OK."
Me: "No, sir, they are..."
You: "$900. well they are worth ever penny"
Me: "Actually, sir, they are only..."
You: "$1000? I figured about that. I'll take two."
Me: "Actually, sir, they are only... ya... $1000... how did you know? But only because you want two and don't tell anyone OK?"
You: "Thanks man! I won't mention it to anyone. What a deal!"
Me: "Visa or Master Card, sir?"
Me thinking: hmmm... glad we hadn't posted the $500 price tag yet. And they say a sucker is only born every minute...
Now think about it boys. If it is currently $500 in the USA why would it be $800 in Canada? This gun is not coming from the USA but from Europe. The wholesale price for buying/ordering 1,000 guns versus 10,000 (whatever) is not a 2:1 ratio. Ya there would be a bit of a difference. Can't see it being more than 10% or so.
Other factors:
The dollar. The US and Canadian dollars are at about par right now but I wouldn't doubt if TSE and others have already paid for or moved cash into Euros for the purchase when the dollar was even higher. (Canadian dollar was up to about $1.10 US) In the past when our dollar was at $0.80 US you could figure there would be a big difference in gun prices from the US but not now. This is a new gun and no Canadian dealer needs to keep the price high until old stock is sold.
The guns going to the USA (for the most part) will be with 16" barrels because of US law. Canada has no such law although some will want a longer overall length of 26" to be non-restricted. As such guns going to the US require more barrel thus more money. Especially if the barrel is made extra thick to have a suppressor look. How long will the barrel have to be in Canada with a fixed stock to make 26" overall? And of course a shorter restricted version (that I want) like what they show on there web site should cost less. That's the size they will likely be making the most of (for other non US countries) so the cost again should be less. Likely shipped in a smaller box too so more boxes per transport ship container so again lower costs.
Now if Canadian dealers were to charge too much compared to the US shoppers will buy from the US. Same as is being done right now with everything from food to cars and boats, etc. Ya, there would be a bit of paper work but it can be done whether you want one gun or ten for you and your friends. The more you buy the less this paper work costs per gun. Shoppers could also buy from other dealers in other countries where export paper work isn't required or is of even less cost.
It is better to sell 10 guns at $500 than 3 guns at $800. Say the gun (any gun or product for that matter) costs the dealer $350 (whatever) so there is $150 to be made at $500/sale and $450 at $800/sale. Sell 10 guns = $1,500. Sell 3 guns = $1,350. Would there be that much of a difference in number of sales? Hard to say but as some here have said that it is only a 22LR. Would there be ANY difference in the number of sales? Most certainly. (all numbers made up so calm down it's only an example.)
Canadian dealers while they do see dollar signs for bringing in these guns don't want to screw you big one time but at the same time loose you as a long term customer. Customer loyalty means dollars in the long run. Have you ever driven across the city, an hour out of your way to buy something from a store and people that you like and respect even though there was a local store selling the exact same, maybe even for less? A loyal customer is not something you want to loose.
My 4 cents...
Fudd
Yeah, in a perfect world.... Or if you're walmart. Unfortunately, neither is the case. How many of these things do you think will be shipped here? The first shipment is most likely already spoken for. And with people posting what price they will pay, and the importers reading this thread, do you think they'll really sell their 10 guns for 500$ when they know damn well there are 15 people who have posted that they will pay more? Remember, they can always lower the price if they start to sit on the shelf too long... Its business. Keep in mind it's a lot easier to lower a price than raise one.
Importing from the US isn't an option, after import fees and all the BS, its not worth the hassle.
As far as "getting screwed", you really think a 70% markup rather than a 56% markup is screwing someone? Far from it. The market dictates the value. If there are 20 people who will pay 800$, and 3 who will come onto CGN and ##### about the price, do you think the importers are really going to shortchange themselves over the opinions of a small group?
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Wrong Way
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Settle down boys....the approximate price has allready been established....it ain't 800.00.
Relax, take a deep breath, and wait for the damn things to actually A: Pass de-prohibition, and B:land in-country before blowing a nut about something that is little more than speculation at this point.
Relax, take a deep breath, and wait for the damn things to actually A: Pass de-prohibition, and B:land in-country before blowing a nut about something that is little more than speculation at this point.
canucklehead
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Guys - enough with the 'How much'... would YOU answer that question if you didn't even have the goods to sell in your hands? Unforseen fees, customs delays, etc. etc... can you really expect a company to set a firm price and commit to it before even knowing the final cost, all for the sake of keeping a few impatient CGN'ers happy?
Quit asking - because if they aren't here yet, they won't give you an answer.
Quit asking - because if they aren't here yet, they won't give you an answer.
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well i've got my $800 set aside also. remember there is tax and shipping to pay as well.
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