22 takedown options.

legi0n said:
now please expand your legal horizon with the concealed carry section (90.1)
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Since I would be carrying it in accordance with the firearms act then it would not apply.

We also need to remember that intent would be a deciding factor. Under 90(1), a plain brick carried in a backback could also be classified as a concealed weapon if you had intent to use it as such.
 
Heliian said:
Since I would be carrying it in accordance with the firearms act then it would not apply.

We also need to remember that intent would be a deciding factor. Under 90(1), a plain brick carried in a backback could also be classified as a concealed weapon if you had intent to use it as such.
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could you please show me where does the firearms act say you can carry a firearm inside a backpack? (remember firearms are always weapons in Canadian law)
absent that, the R vs Felawka precedent applies.
Here, the mens rea of the offence was clearly established. The accused, knowing the rifle was a weapon, took steps to hide it from observation by others.
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clanker said:
Putting a firearm inside of a backpack is considered concealed carry in Canada.

Aside from the obvious angle, the person inspecting you on crown land will probably be a CO, and you may get a poaching charge as well if they're having a particularly bad day.
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This just reminded me of a talk I had with an Alberta park ranger near Bragg Creek a few years ago. There are some parking areas out there that are gazetted as recreation areas and you can't have a visable firearm in them but you can walk a short distance outside of the parking area and be in legal hunting where you can have a firearm. She was very clear that I had to put my firearm in my pack or otherwise hide it while walking through the rec area to the area where hunting was legal.

Another note, what about backpacks that are designed to carry firearms? I've got one that has built in storage for 5 handguns.IMG_0969.jpeg
 
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legi0n said:
the A22 is cheaper, easier to clean and arguably more accurate. (I have only seen ONE video on the accuracy topic and the A22 won but it was not the takedown model)
The A22 has a bolt lock-back device while the 10/22 doesn't.

I have one and would advise anyone against any takedown rifle in Canada. You are not allowed to carry it in your backpack. As such, why give up some accuracy?
The Magpul stock (10/22) and the Magpul style (A22) allows for carrying 3 mags in the stock. Again, in Canada, having a loaded mag attached to the rifle makes that rifle "loaded".
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So does this mean it’s illegal to have ammo stored on the gun? Like you commonly see with lever actions ?
 
legi0n said:
short answer: yes
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Funny. I’ve never been charged with transporting a loaded firearm. Was stopped mid summer by a fish cop and he didn’t mention anything about the ammo stored on my 1894. I’ve never seen in the regs that it’s illegal. As there is no ammo in the magazine feed path or chamber. 🤷‍♂️
 
Matt308 said:
Funny. I’ve never been charged with transporting a loaded firearm. Was stopped mid summer by a fish cop and he didn’t mention anything about the ammo stored on my 1894. I’ve never seen in the regs that it’s illegal. As there is no ammo in the magazine feed path or chamber. 🤷‍♂️
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come to think about it, Al Capone was never charged with murder. is that funny as well?
apologies for the bad answer.
marlin 1894 has a tube mag.
if you attach another tube mag to the rifle, then yes, you break the law
otherwise, having cartridges on a stock sleeve is not "loaded magazine attached to the firearm"
 
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Thunderhog said:
Chiappa firearms are absolute junk, the Chiappa Kodiak Cub is a disaster and also a piece of garbage.

Stay away from the Chiappa brand. You will thank me later.....:)
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Sorry about your bad experience. I don't have a Kodiak Cub, the takedown approach does looks obscure (and fragile).
I have low expectation when it comes to any firearm, not just Chiappa. I know it'll be me that has to fix it when things break. Fun, in a way?!
 
joemanco said:
Sorry about your bad experience. I don't have a Kodiak Cub, the takedown approach does looks obscure (and fragile).
I have low expectation when it comes to any firearm, not just Chiappa. I know it'll be me that has to fix it when things break. Fun, in a way?!
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No worries, I was a Chiappa dealer for close to four years. Every Chiappa Kodiak Cub that I sold went back for warranty repair or replacement. On average, I sold 6-8 of them per year. So for 20 plus rifles, they were all junk. All but 4 were okay.

The actual design is a Marlin 39A copy, and it was a good idea. But poor head spacing, mim parts, low quality tolerances, poor fit & finish always came up.

I carried the blued/walnut, stainless, deluxe and the fancy model that slips my mind. Had issues with the majority of them.

Chiappa is never fun to fix!......:(

Warranty wait times were up to two years on some models........:(

Please stay away from Chiappa junk!
 
gallen270 said:
Marlin papoose is super light and reliable, good rifle camping, trapping, around the farm.
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The factory mags are great , but don’t be tempted by aftermarket promag stuff though, they just shove a spring in a box, call it a magazine and ffck geometry. The high vis sights were sold for a 60 or 795, all the same for marlin rimfires. Light mount was some barrel clamp thing of amazon, was just a couple bucks.

I’ve been tempted to try the savage take down , they look good, if they’re reliable it’s a viable alternative since the papoose is no longer in production,
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I also have Marlin Papoose, and even with exact same open sight. Fantastic gun, reliable, accurate, and superlight. And comes with a nice case. The only potential problem with it - you have to check tightness of the nut connecting the barrel to the receiver, every few dozens of shots. Not a problem in a hunting scenario probably, but is annoying at a range.

I also have Chiappa Little Badger in 22WMR with multiple upgrades I've added. Extremely compact, even though not takedown (but can be converted to takedown easily). So far didn't have any problems with it. The sights and rails that come with it are kind of usable, but certainly not nice. Replacing them with ones machined from aluminum or steel, putting a carbon fiber fore-end, and adding some leather wrap for the butt stock makes it a nice gun. Good looking, nicely handling and shooting well. Pleasure to shoot and own. No reliability issues (it's a break action after all), and the trigger is surprisingly good (probably because of the simplicity.

Mare's leg type of rifles are also as small as takedown rifles. I had Henry-made variant, it was a pretty nice rifle with a decent trigger. But stock is awkward (unless you like this particular kind of stock) and I didn't like enameled receiver made of some cheap alloy.
 
legi0n said:
come to think about it, Al Capone was never charged with murder. is that funny as well?
apologies for the bad answer.
marlin 1894 has a tube mag.
if you attach another tube mag to the rifle, then yes, you break the law
otherwise, having cartridges on a stock sleeve is not "loaded magazine attached to the firearm"
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That first bit was painfully dumb. It’s just not illegal. Has nothing to do with not being charged lol. I gave them plenty of chances with my lever guns over the years.
 
Matt308 said:
That first bit was painfully dumb. It’s just not illegal. Has nothing to do with not being charged lol. I gave them plenty of chances with my lever guns over the years.
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no, you did not give them "plenty of chances" to charge you for the leverguns.
I thought I was clear, it is very difficult to attach a loaded mag to a rifle with a tube magazine and I bet you didn't.
unloaded, in respect of a firearm, means that any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm. (non chargée)
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legi0n said:
no, you did not give them "plenty of chances" to charge you for the leverguns.
I thought I was clear, it is very difficult to attach a loaded mag to a rifle with a tube magazine and I bet you didn't.
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lol. You were clear as mud the first go around, which is what I was responding too. Thanks for coming out 👍
 
Matt308 said:
lol. You were clear as mud the first go around, which is what I was responding too. Thanks for coming out 👍
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well, you didn't specify what kind of lever you have at first.
there are quite a few lever models with box magazines that could fall under this precedent.
 
Browning SA22 are great I used one a lot as a kid. My dad still has it.

I bought a few of them Norinco knockoff SA22 back when they were cheap from CA. They shoot good, Just the fit and finish is not as nice as the real Browning.
 
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