.223 and 5.56

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I was doing some reading today about the 223 and 556. I always thought they were the same but I have found out they are not...

in our AR's as civilians are we only getting the .223's? Ok what im asking is can we buy the actual 5.56 ammo?

Might be an obvious answer but since i dont know im asking :)
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but .223 and 5.56 have both the same case, but the bullet is different. The bullet of the 5.56 is larger than the .223. Most of the AR marked .223 can also shoot 5.56 because firearm company don't want to be sue if an accident happen.
 
A quick search in google showed me this:

One clarification I need to make, is that the 5.56 round was developed from the .222, not .223. THAT is MY mistake. After the inception of the 5.56, Remington claimed the basic design and renamed it .223 Rem with the slight modifications. The differences in the 5.56 ammo also appear to come from other countries of manufacture. This may be why the .223 and 5.56 you miked had the same neck and shoulder. However, the fact remains that there is 5.56 out there with the slightly different cartridge for some reason, while all .223 appears to be made to US tolerances. Additionally, unless it specifies "made to NATO specifications," it may very well be the odd size ammo that is dangerous in the .223 chamber, but still accepted without fanfare in the larger 5.56 chamber.

Aside from that, the pressure warnings still hold true. Every manufacturer that had this info posted in .223 vs.5.56 QA, strongly recommended not using the higher pressure 5.56 in the .223 unless it was specified by the firearms manufacturer. That's all I'm saying on the subject. I posted the info to make people aware of a potentially deadly situation. Whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you. Tell me I'm full of $h!t and use it all you want; I couldn't care less. Take it or leave it.


What this says to me is, shoot .223 in a 5.56 barrel all you want, but avoid shooting 5.56 in a .223 barrel due to the higher pressures of 5.56 ammo AND the possibility of different 'spec' 5.56 ammo.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but .223 and 5.56 have both the same case, but the bullet is different. The bullet of the 5.56 is larger than the .223. Most of the AR marked .223 can also shoot 5.56 because firearm company don't want to be sue if an accident happen.


I know bullets are not the issue.

I think the difference is...

The 5.56 shoots at a higher pressure. I believe the outsite diameter of the .223 and 5.56 are the same. The 5.56 brass is thicker on the inside, which creates extra presure and more velocity.
 
http://www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm




[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Q. What is the difference between 5.56×45mm and .223 Remington ammo[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In the 1950's, the US military adopted the metric system of measurement and uses metric measurements to describe ammo. However, the US commercial ammo market typically used the English "caliber" measurements when describing ammo. "Caliber" is a shorthand way of saying "hundredths (or thousandths) of an inch." For example, a fifty caliber projectile is approximately fifty one-hundredths (.50) of an inch and a 357 caliber projectile is approximately three-hundred and fifty-seven thousandths (.357) of an inch. Dimensionally, 5.56 and .223 ammo are identical, though military 5.56 ammo is typically loaded to higher pressures and velocities than commercial ammo and may, in guns with extremely tight "match" .223 chambers, be unsafe to fire.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The chambers for .223 and 5.56 weapons are not the same either. Though the AR15 design provides an extremely strong action, high pressure signs on the brass and primers, extraction failures and cycling problems may be seen when firing hot 5.56 ammo in .223-chambered rifles. Military M16s and AR15s from Colt, Bushmaster, FN, DPMS, and some others, have the M16-spec chamber and should have no trouble firing hot 5.56 ammunition.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] Military M16s have slightly more headspace and have a longer throat area, compared to the SAAMI .223 chamber spec, which was originally designed for bolt-action rifles. Commercial SAAMI-specification .223 chambers have a much shorter throat or leade and less freebore than the military chamber. Shooting 5.56 Mil-Spec ammo in a SAAMI-specification chamber can increase pressure dramatically, up to an additional 15,000 psi or more.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The military chamber is often referred to as a "5.56 NATO" chamber, as that is what is usually stamped on military barrels. Some commercial AR manufacturers use the tighter ".223" (i.e., SAAMI-spec and often labeled ".223" or ".223 Remington") chamber, which provides for increased accuracy but, in self-loading rifles, less cycling reliability, especially with hot-loaded military ammo. A few AR manufacturers use an in-between chamber spec, such as the Wylde chamber. Many mis-mark their barrels too, which further complicates things. You can generally tell what sort of chamber you are dealing with by the markings, if any, on the barrel, but always check with the manufacturer to be sure.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] Typical Colt Mil-Spec-type markings: [/FONT] C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] Typical Bushmaster markings: [/FONT]B MP 5.56 NATO 1/9 HBAR
DPMS marks their barrels ".223", though they actually have 5.56 chambers.
Olympic Arms marks their barrels with "556", with some additionally marked "SS" or "SUM." This marking is used on all barrels, even older barrels that used .223 chambers and current target models that also use .223 chambers. Non-target barrels made since 2001 should have 5.56 chambers.
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] Armalite typically doesn't mark their barrels.[/FONT] A2 and A4 models had .223 chambers until mid-2001, and have used 5.56 chambers since. The (t) models use .223 match chambers.
Rock River Arms uses the Wylde chamber specs on most rifles, and does not mark their barrels.
Most other AR manufacturers' barrels are unmarked, and chamber dimensions are unknown.
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Opinion: In general it is a bad idea to attempt to fire 5.56 rounds (e.g., M193, M855) in .223 chambers, particularly with older rifles.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Fact: SAAMI specifically warns against the use of 5.56mm ammo in .223 chambers. The .223 SAAMI specification was originally made with bolt rifles in mind.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]For more see the SAAMI website ammo warning.[/FONT]
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5.56 v. .223 Remington specification.
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Ok...so smak daddy

We can buy the 556 though right with the higher velocity or do they limit us to the none armed forces cal with the lower velocity?
 
Ok...so smak daddy

We can buy the 556 though right with the higher velocity or do they limit us to the none armed forces cal with the lower velocity?


RULE 1 - you can shoot .223 and 5.56 in a 5.56

RULE 2 - you can only shoot .223 in a .223



to complicate matters, I believe Colt AR-15's are marked .223, but they are really 5.56. Can anyone chime in on this?
 
why they have to make all this so difficult lol

Ijust bought an AR from LMT...Im just wandering if I should be firing 223 or 556...I was having extraction problems and the ammo i was using was AE .223
 
why they have to make all this so difficult lol

Ijust bought an AR from LMT...Im just wandering if I should be firing 223 or 556...I was having extraction problems and the ammo i was using was AE .223

My LMT is 5.56. I suspect your is too. .223 will be fine in your lmt.

What kind of extraction problems? My LMT is a rock solid performer.
 
well i dont know much about the inerds (spelling) of rifles...I just shoot them

I was using the 10round pistol mags and after about 3 shots or so the last round fired would not eject...the empty case would remain in the rifle then the next round would lodge itself beside it...it was a real ##### to get out as well.

I sent it back and they said everything was fine so my only guess is ammo or not lubed well enough
 
When the failure to extract occured, did the bolt rip (or bend) a chunk of brass from the back of the round?

Did the brass from the stuck round look normal?
 
Oh man...i realluy wouldnt know smak....Sorry man but idont know much about these things so it will be hard to answer ur questions...BUT i def appreciate the help and u are giving me things to look at when im out on Wednesday.

I guess i would look at the back of the casing for the chunking and or benidng?
 
oh actually the brass form the stuck round was dented! but i think the dent was from the next round ramming into the side of it?
 
My manual states that I can only use 87 octane from chevron in my new GMC....Can I substitute 87 octane from esso.......

Its the same thing
 
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