It is at least 20 times better. It's like stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime.
223 .. looking for advice
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It is at least 20 times better. It's like stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime.
After initially getting my rifle dialed in at 50 yards, I decided to put three shots out to see what it would be like. My friend who is also considering buying a .223 to bring out to Sask next month was curious what mine was like. This is a bit of a message I sent him on Facebook:
No it wasn't at 100 yards, an no it wasn't a 5 shot group. And no I have never put a group on paper at 100, 200 or any other range yet. I took it out and started popping squeaks, and it does that very well. I know to some that may sound unimpressive, but for the $280 I paid for this rifle, I'm quite content knowing I have a rifle that's 20 times less good then others might have.
Ardent
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Amen.
Neither will I fall for "it costs more, so it must be better." I don't say that cheaper is all on its own a criteria for judging something better, but all else being equal, it is, because it leaves you more money for ammo, gas, time off for shooting/hunting, etc. For me, once a piece of equipment meets the performance spec for the job I want it to do, I won't be persuaded that I need more, though I may decide I'd like something that exceeds that spec.
I won't tell you or ChuckNelson you shouldn't spend more of your money on things you like better because you think they are nicer. Taking his 700CDL for example, pretty wood with white stripes and a shiny gloss doesn't make it any more accurate than a 700SPS or a Handi-Rifle, if it is. He might well enjoy owning it more, and I hope he does, for his money.
For my money, I got a coyote rifle accurate enough to hit at ranges I think humane for the .223 cartridge. And within what a 700CDL would cost, I've equipped it with a scope and added a barrel in .308Winchester which is also accurate enough to hit at ranges I think humane for big game, and a scope for that, too.
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Hey GYMBO get the best rifle you can afford. As it has been said everyone has a budget and as life goes on and you have more disposable income and if you choose to you can upgrade.
I started out shooting with a ratty old cooey and a totally destroyed parker hale .270. I redid both and have slowly been upgrading my rifles to the spec I want. As others have stated you can definetly shoot and shoot accurately with "cheaper" guns. If it floats your boat by all means go too it. Don't apologize for your decision either. Just make it an educated one. Try some out for fit ask some friends and use this forum.
I enjoy my rifles and I enjoy looking at them when I am not shooting them. My custom rifles are not all super tack driving accurate and I am ok with that. They are plenty good enough for me. Whether you choose to buy something cheaper or more expensive matters not just make sure YOU like it!
I started out shooting with a ratty old cooey and a totally destroyed parker hale .270. I redid both and have slowly been upgrading my rifles to the spec I want. As others have stated you can definetly shoot and shoot accurately with "cheaper" guns. If it floats your boat by all means go too it. Don't apologize for your decision either. Just make it an educated one. Try some out for fit ask some friends and use this forum.
I enjoy my rifles and I enjoy looking at them when I am not shooting them. My custom rifles are not all super tack driving accurate and I am ok with that. They are plenty good enough for me. Whether you choose to buy something cheaper or more expensive matters not just make sure YOU like it!
I never was a white line spacer gloss kind of guy and this stock is destined for the scrap heap.
Honestly, for a RH shooter the used market is a pretty good source of good deals.
Don't buy a single shot .223 for coyotes. Guaranteed if you do you will have two coyotes running into your set-up everytime and you will be fumbling shells trying to reload while the second dog is trotting away looking back laughing at you.
GO bolt action, my remington 700 SPS has done me well.
GO bolt action, my remington 700 SPS has done me well.
I agree with the gentleman who wrote before 'yote hunting you need fast follow shot, my Nef rifle was use mainly on woodchuck for 'yote nothing beat my Steyr Scout 308 loaded at 3350 fps with v-max 110 gr, i am not in the pelts business ... JP.
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My SPS outshoots my son's Tikka. BUT...I bought a Hogue stock to replace that damned tupperware stock on my Remy. With SPS stock it was shooting 0.75" with 50 grain v-max. With Hogue it is on average .35".
Cost $640 + $230 for stock = $870
Just bought a Savage M10 predator (243) for $820. So yah...the Axis, Weatherby, Remy and Savage will all do the trick for you.
Remy twist is 1:12. Tikka is 1:8 My remy loves the 50 and 40 grain pills, my sons Tikka is mediocre with those pills.
Buy what fits you and what suits your style.
I would step up to 243 bolt for yotes. "My" belief is that you would have a better chance at clean one shot kills. But, that's just my thoughts. I don't like to see pain and suffering. I know the 223 works for some guys, but me personally, would not use it for yotes.
If you want a semi, another one is the Benelli MR1. It also takes LAR 10 round mags, legally.
Should be just over 1k used.
Another good one is the Remington 7615. They are really accurate and also take the LAR 10 round mag. They're under 1k new.
It seems like you want volume and cheap, but there's no such cat.
Should be just over 1k used.
Another good one is the Remington 7615. They are really accurate and also take the LAR 10 round mag. They're under 1k new.
It seems like you want volume and cheap, but there's no such cat.
i used to own a NEF .223 Heavy barrel and then sold it for a 20" SPS tactical. The NEF was a great gun but if you want to get into follow up shots it is a pain in the ass. Granted it is under three hundred dollars and the Remy is around 6 I feel it may not be twice as accurate, but the follow up shots make it twice as fun. Also if you shoot prone off a bipod, reloading is a bit tricky. I think that it would be better to save for another month or two and get the a bolt action. Also stay away from the 1 in 12 twist rates. My SPS is 1 in 9 and works great on most all bullets up to 65 gns, If you get a 1 in 12 you will be limited in the rounds you can accurately put down range without them tumbling. Bought some barnes gopher grenades, shot great in my 1 in 9, shot terrible in my friends older SPS (1 in 12). Good luck on your decision!
It works very well for a hell of a lot of guys. Its all about shot placement. If you need a bigger calibre to make up for poor shot placement you need to spend some more time at the range.
The .243 is a great round and I have nothing against it. It works well. But saying the .223 is not enough for 'yotes is just silly. Using cheap 45gr Winchester White Box HP have resulted in quick, clean kills for me. And I mean bang flop, dead right there kills. I cant wait to see how my 60gr V-max reloads perform.
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Sorry to hijack a little, I wonder if you could define 'very accurate'? I had an older one a few years ago and wasn't impressed with accuracy. Would you say the newer 580+ series would do MOA or under 2" at 100yards?
I'm thinking of a new semi in .223 and would consider another Mini if performance is better.
Thanks
