223 Small Base Die and Trimming

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Hi All
Just a quick question about using a small base die on 223 and case trimming for the AR.
The small base die pushes the shoulder back slightly and sits a little deeper in the head space gauge. The max trim length for 223 is 1.760". Is there a more optimal case length or will 1.760" maximum suffice?
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Trim lenght for 223 rem is 1.750

Hmmm.. My Lyman reloading handbook states 1.760 as well as my EZ case guage. My Sierra reloading data states 1.760 as well. Maybe there are other books which state different specs or is this just your personal preference?
 
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My RCBS AR Series .223/5.56 small base die reduces the body of the case approximately .001 to .002 smaller in diameter and pushes the shoulder back .003 more than my standard RCBS ,223 die.

I use Redding competition shell holders and for my AR15 rifles I only bump the case shoulder back .003. And this is using the +.004 competition shell holder. Meaning if I used a standard RCBS shell holder and with the die making hard contact with the shell holder and the press reaching cam over the case shoulder would be pushed back .007.

Bottom line, you can be over resizing your cases and pushing the case shoulder back too far with any small base die. And the best thing to have is a Hornady cartridge case headspace gauge and measure the fired length of the case and set the die up for minimum shoulder bump. Ball park shoulder bump figures, bolt action rifle - .001 to .002 shoulder bump, semi-auto .003 to .006.

Below a fired case from my AR15 carbine, and my small base die was adjusted to bump the shoulder back .003 from this measurement.

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Now to your question, as long as you trim your cases somewhere between min and max length it doesn't matter what your case gauge tells you, so forget that end of the gauge. I use the WFT to trim my .223/5.56 cases and it indexes off the case shoulder, and never use a case gauge for trim length.

I use a JP Enterprise case gauge as my final "plop test" of my loaded rounds. I do this because this gauge is made with a finish chamber reamer and also checks case body diameter, and the reason why you use a small base die. I buy bulk once fired Lake City 5.56 brass and resize the case only once with my small base die. Thereafter I size the cases with a standard .223 die and this works with my dies. "BUT" this sizing s I buy bulk once fired Lake City 5.56 brass and resize the case only once with my small base die. Thereafter I size the cases with a standard .223 die. This system may not work with all rifles and dies, the resized case should be .003 to .005 smaller in diameter than its fired size for a semi-auto and reliable extraction.

Below a Wilson, Dillon and JP Enterprise case gauge with 5.56 case inserted upside down. As you can see the Wilson and Dillon case gauges "DO NOT" check case body diameter.

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Chambers and resizing dies vary in size and my point being here if a resized case fits in the JP Enterprise gauge it will chamber in any rifle. Meaning if the case is resized with a standard .223 die and fits in the JP Enterprise gauge a small base die is not needed.
 
Hmmm.. My Lyman reloading handbook states 1.760 as well as my EZ case guage. My Sierra reloading data states 1.760 as well. Maybe there are other books which state different specs or is this just your personal preference?

Max case length length is 1.760, minimum case length is 1.750, I trim all my cases to 1.750, all my manuals say the trim to length is 1.750

Below from the Sierra reloading manual.

Test Specifications/Components
Firearm Used:Colt AR-15A2 HBAR
Barrel Length:20"
Twist:1 x 7"
Case:Federal
Trim-to Length:1.750"
Primer:Rem 7 1/2
 
I use a JP Enterprise case gauge as my final "plop test" of my loaded rounds. I do this because this gauge is made with a finish chamber reamer and also checks case body diameter, and the reason why you use a small base die. I buy bulk once fired Lake City 5.56 brass and resize the case only once with my small base die. Thereafter I size the cases with a standard .223 die and this works with my dies. "BUT" this sizing s I buy bulk once fired Lake City 5.56 brass and resize the case only once with my small base die. Thereafter I size the cases with a standard .223 die. This system may not work with all rifles and dies, the resized case should be .003 to .005 smaller in diameter than its fired size for a semi-auto and reliable extraction.

Below a Wilson, Dillon and JP Enterprise case gauge with 5.56 case inserted upside down. As you can see the Wilson and Dillon case gauges "DO NOT" check case body diameter.

KSB3ZvP.jpg


PPHWn7L.jpg


Chambers and resizing dies vary in size and my point being here if a resized case fits in the JP Enterprise gauge it will chamber in any rifle. Meaning if the case is resized with a standard .223 die and fits in the JP Enterprise gauge a small base die is not needed.

Just looking online for this gauge, and it appears to be listed as being ITAR-restricted at Optics Planet and Amazon.com - i.e. "can't get here from there". Is my memory failing (not impossible...) or did reloading gear such as this not come under ITAR regs previously?

I had thought ITAR only controlled what went in or on rifles, not tools (aside from automated ammo machinery, which this definitely ain't!).
 
I believe you can order directly from JP Enterprises. Sheridan Engineering case gauges are another alternative for measuring case length and diameter.
 
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