.223 STANAG Magazine Hunting Rifle Coming Soon?
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Because they kinda suck? And/or the models have been used and abused...zero spare parts/upgrades AND an awful magazine.
Hard agree on this. Doesn't really make sense but I'm sure it's a legal thing.
Thunderhog
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It's an attack on the Canadian hunter/target shooter thing.
Liberal control to discourage firearm ownership by lawful Canadians.
Just like the Liberal Trudeau/Carney 25% tariff on firearms, accessories, reloading components, etc.
It's another form of control to their WOKE ideology and narratives'.....
I hear yea but both companies that make them used high-quality materials. It's a complete switch from what is typically seen on cheap Turkish shotguns. They could have used 6061 aluminum and a plastic trigger guard, but they used 7076 for both. They could of just did a harden nitrate finish on the wear parts, but they didn't, and they went with hard chrome. Everything points to that these guns were put together with quality and longevity in mind. It's sad to say this but I'd be more hesitant in its quality if it was made in Canada. You should see some of their Perazzi clones. A lot of the Turkish manufactures are really coming through and I doubt they will stay cheap for much longer.
I can't see the internal parts of the other brand of rifle so I can't comment on what they decided to do for the finish on the wear parts.
Oh, yeah, great...that way they'll be banned in the time I will spend waiting for my rural internet connection while trying to order one...
Based upon my fairly limited experience with owning and playing with friends' Turkish and Canadian guns...this is sadly true.
That .308 is really calling to me. But...dang proprietary magazines...
Island Gun Nut
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Even though it's listed as .223, can anyone confirm this shouldn't be used with 5.56 Nato. Thanks,
Unfortunately, not this time. Right off their site it says barrel spec is Saami Z299-4.
Thunderhog
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So no 556 Nato ammo to be fired out of this rifle then?
So no 556 Nato ammo to be fired out of this rifle then?
I'm going to use my magical powers and make a prediction here.
There will be people...all over the world...in every country in which this gun is sold...for years to come...who will use large quantities of 5.56 milsurp ammo for plinking in this rifle...many of whom have never heard of twist rate or bullet weight or COAL or barrel throating...and not one of them will ever experience any safety problem related to the use of this ammo.
Meanwhile, there will be some small number of Expert Reloaders who simply must push the envelope... who read all the manuals...who own stock in Berger Bullets...who measure and weigh everything in sight...who must show how accomplished and capable they are...and who know that their own secret recipe will turn their .223/5.56 into a .220Swift. They will blow up a few rifles...and will then blame it upon the bulk milsurp 5.56 they tried last week.
Just sayin'...
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Island Gun Nut
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Hey man, I'm just going off the data provided. I was under the impression that unless the barrel was built to CIP cert than it has the SAAMI chamber profile for .223 and can be risky to shoot 5.56 in it? Care to enlighten me? I'd love to be wrong here lol
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Some one smarter than me will answer this, but it had been discussed long ago about if the MR1 is 5.56 compatible.
CSC spoke up to indicate that the European standard for .223 makes the Euro guns chambered in .223 fine to shoot 5.56.
I’ll shoot some 5.56 though mine. I’m sure it’ll be fine.
Q: “Can CZ rifles chambered in .223 fire 5.56 ammunition safely?”
A: All of our .223s will happily eat 5.56. Since our factory is in Europe, we build everything to CIP spec, which doesn’t differentiate between the two cartridges and just has the higher pressure as its standard. So the CZ .223s will shoot everything from the cheapest Russian steel to match .223 brass ammo.
According to the official Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives (C.I.P.) guidelines the .223 Remington case can handle up to 430 megapascals (62,366 psi) piezo pressure. In C.I.P. regulated countries every rifle cartridge combo has to be proofed at 125% of this maximum C.I.P. pressure to certify for sale to consumers. This is equal to the NATO maximum service pressure guideline for the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge.
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Island Gun Nut
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Yes, exactly. This rifle doesn't appear to be built to CIP spec.Some one smarter than me will answer this, but it had been discussed long ago about if the MR1 is 5.56 compatible.
CSC spoke up to indicate that the European standard for .223 makes the Euro guns chambered in .223 fine to shoot 5.56.
I’ll shoot some 5.56 though mine. I’m sure it’ll be fine.
Q: “Can CZ rifles chambered in .223 fire 5.56 ammunition safely?”
A: All of our .223s will happily eat 5.56. Since our factory is in Europe, we build everything to CIP spec, which doesn’t differentiate between the two cartridges and just has the higher pressure as its standard. So the CZ .223s will shoot everything from the cheapest Russian steel to match .223 brass ammo.
According to the official Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives (C.I.P.) guidelines the .223 Remington case can handle up to 430 megapascals (62,366 psi) piezo pressure. In C.I.P. regulated countries every rifle cartridge combo has to be proofed at 125% of this maximum C.I.P. pressure to certify for sale to consumers. This is equal to the NATO maximum service pressure guideline for the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge.
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