22LR @ 100 meters.

I'll make the fith comment?

I also run a Savage 22 BTVS and went from 3-9 Weaver Kaspa to a 6-24 Tasco Varmit toa Falcon 5.5-25x56 FFP Milradian. I like the higher power as it allows me to see the holes in the paper and the FFP Milraidian scope makes wind/distance adjustments easy.

Like everyone has said, wind is your enemy. I have also found that at 100 to 200 yards, precipitation plays a big factor. Wind will blow a 22 anywhere from 3-12 inches or more depending on the speed and direction. I find the precipitation makes my groups about 4-5 times the size.

I typically shoot Winchester 333 bulk packs but have just bought but not opened yet, some Lapua 22 match ammo. I will try that next week.

Anyhow, here is a "good day" at 100 yards with the Savage BTVS in 22lr with NO WIND ( I have a wind meter) and no precipitation. The small squares are 1".
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At 200 yards my groups are 6-8" on a day with wind and you always get 2-3 flyers per 10 shots. I did not shoot a group on that no wind day at 200 yards but I wish I did.

And budget wise, I paid $350 shipped for the BTVS and $350 with split shipping on the 5.5-25 scope, both of the Exchange Form here so I am close to your budget.
 
Where do you get high end ammo? All I can find is bulk of any kind. Did find some Yellow Jackets at Walmart for $60. a brick. Didn't buy it, needless to say. But thats HV stuff anyway. When you say groups, how many rounds are we talking? I have a CZ 455 Lux in 22mag that ONCE shot 5 shots in 1/8 inch at 50 with Maxi Mags. Could never do it again. Also Have a Savage Mark 2 BTVS in .22LR and find it better than my 1022 off a rest at 50 but don't often get 1 inch with 5 rounds, forget 10 shots. Mostly using Reminton Golden Bullet HP bulk which is accurate compared to the other Bulks I've tried. Had an old box of Stingers which turned out to be the most accurate believe it or not. I was surprised. CCI mini mags are ok but no better than the Golden Bullet in my gun.
Winchester Power Points which were best in my 1022 are all over the place in my Savage. Would be very happy with a consistant 1 inch at 50 as I am really not into the super accuracy thing. Most exciting competition for me is gopher shooting with .22LR/.22Mag.
 
Skinny 1950 said:
My eyes are on the other side of the curve so I need optics not only on the rifle but on my face, I would be happy with a one inch group at 100 meters for $600 or less can it be done I don't know this is, what I would like to know.
I think my bench-rest skills are in place although I could use a trigger job.
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Do you wear progressives or bifocals? If so, get a pair of glasses with just single vision for shooting. that's what I did, and it made a huge difference.
 
One inch groups with a good rifle and good ammunition are not a problem on wind free days at 100m. I used to own an old Winchester model 75 with. 20x Unertl scope. I sold the rifle as I wanted the scope for a .32-40 benchrest rifle. It shot a number of one inch to shot groups at 100m on calm days. Ammunition mattered greatly. At 100m RWS R50 was the trick. At 200m it would still hold 2 moa, but with Federal Gold Medal Match HV ammunition. Good shooting at 200m requires very calm days, or very excellent wind reading skills :)

Chris.
 
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This is 5 shots at 50 yards with my 10-22 target model shooting CCI Standard off of sandbags. I can't do this all the time, but I think the rifle might be capable of it with good conditions.

It was pretty close to your $600 budget with the scope. I did a bit of work to it to get it to shoot like that, but no parts were purchased. I shortened and recrowned the barrel at 18.5", free floated it, tightened up the action in the stock with aluminum tape (so it wasn't permanent and I could experiment), and completely reworked the trigger. The trigger group was the most work. I drilled and tapped the hammer for a set screw to adjust the sear engagement and did the same with the sear to take out the slop between it and the disconnector. I also got rid of the coil spring and plunger for trigger return and added an internal spring for that, plus an over travel screw in the trigger guard. I have a PDF file of the thread on rim fire central that I followed if anyone wants to see exactly what I did.

I can't remember if this is the one that I trued up the bolt and set headspace on or if it was already pretty good. The scope is a Simmons Whitetail Classic 6.5-20x50 that I ordered out of the states for $170 all in, and I think the gun was $450 + tax when I bought it at WSS. My brother gave me a cheap set of rings out of his misc. collection. I do have it in a Boyds stock now, but that doesn't really affect accuracy.

Kristian
 
turbo_bird said:
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This is 5 shots at 50 yards with my 10-22 target model shooting CCI Standard off of sandbags. I can't do this all the time, but I think the rifle might be capable of it with good conditions.

It was pretty close to your $600 budget with the scope. I did a bit of work to it to get it to shoot like that, but no parts were purchased. I shortened and recrowned the barrel at 18.5", free floated it, tightened up the action in the stock with aluminum tape (so it wasn't permanent and I could experiment), and completely reworked the trigger. The trigger group was the most work. I drilled and tapped the hammer for a set screw to adjust the sear engagement and did the same with the sear to take out the slop between it and the disconnector. I also got rid of the coil spring and plunger for trigger return and added an internal spring for that, plus an over travel screw in the trigger guard. I have a PDF file of the thread on rim fire central that I followed if anyone wants to see exactly what I did.

I can't remember if this is the one that I trued up the bolt and set headspace on or if it was already pretty good. The scope is a Simmons Whitetail Classic 6.5-20x50 that I ordered out of the states for $170 all in, and I think the gun was $450 + tax when I bought it at WSS. My brother gave me a cheap set of rings out of his misc. collection. I do have it in a Boyds stock now, but that doesn't really affect accuracy.

Kristian
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That is good shooting, but it is only 50 yards, and we are talking 100 meters. With a 22lr, that is a huge difference.
 
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Savage Mark II, CCI Standards, at 100m got me a fist size group, I was disappointed at first until I started reading more about the 50m benchmark for .22lr. Next time, I'll note the wind, don't remember if there was any, maybe a slight breeze?
 
These are all competition targets. None are cherry-picked . Not all are 1" groups but there are enough to indicate that 1moa is doable and repeatable. All are 10 shot groups at 100 yards and shot using aperture sights.

The middle bull below was spoiled with an unnoticed shoulder pressure change. Shot low at 6:30

 
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stubblejumper said:
That is good shooting, but it is only 50 yards, and we are talking 100 meters. With a 22lr, that is a huge difference.
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Unfortunately I haven`t really shot for groups at 100 with it. I did poke away at a 6 inch gong at 200 with a 3-9 Tasco scope that I had on it originally, and once I got the holdover figured out, I could hit it pretty consistently. I also realize that`s not a 1 inch group at 100 yards either, but I`m just trying to show that it is possible to have a pretty accurate 22 lr without spending a fortune.
Kristian
 
I use an older basic Pronghorn 3-9x42 scope at 100 yds on my Savage Mark II FVT. The only real issue with the scope is setting up for the parallax correction. Once you adjust the objective lens to compensate you will improve your odds. The 22 scopes are generally set for about 50-75 yrds so the parallax error at 100 is huge. Either that or buy a scope $$$ with adjustable parallax.
I also use high velocity which gives me about a 3" groups at 100. Some of this is me but the supersonic ammo does destabilize as it transitions down to subsonic (learn via Google). But i am not trying really hard to get down to 1" but for schlitz and giggles I do have some CCI standard ammo I am going to throw down range to see.
 
I remember shooting sub 1" groups with good match ammo at 100M when I used to compete regularly in SB silhouette. I've only recently got back into shooting and will be exploring the 100M game again with a Anschutz 64 MPR, Match 54 and a few tuned 10/22's. Not until this insane cold leaves however!!!
 
dryfire said:
These are all competition targets. None are cherry-picked . Not all are 1" groups but there are enough to indicate that 1moa is doable and repeatable. All are 10 shot groups at 100 yards and shot using aperture sights.

The middle bull below was spoiled with an unnoticed shoulder pressure change. Shot low at 6:30

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I don't know man..........between relays one and two I only paced off 97 yards to your muzzle.............:nest:

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oh and one of these...........:dancingbanana:....okay two of them..........:dancingbanana::dancingbanana:
 
Beermaker said:
I use an older basic Pronghorn 3-9x42 scope at 100 yds on my Savage Mark II FVT. The only real issue with the scope is setting up for the parallax correction. Once you adjust the objective lens to compensate you will improve your odds. The 22 scopes are generally set for about 50-75 yrds so the parallax error at 100 is huge. Either that or buy a scope $$$ with adjustable parallax.
I also use high velocity which gives me about a 3" groups at 100. Some of this is me but the supersonic ammo does destabilize as it transitions down to subsonic (learn via Google). But i am not trying really hard to get down to 1" but for schlitz and giggles I do have some CCI standard ammo I am going to throw down range to see.
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Tasco makes a couple of adjustable objective scopes for pretty cheap. I had the 4-12X on for a while. It was a decent scope till it took a couple foot padded bump.... I will try to send it away one of these days. The higher powered Tasco got pretty dark and fuzzy on the higher powers though.

In my post above I referenced an older scope that I picked up pretty reasonable. That one sits on my Hornet.

I kind of want to try one on the Simmons predator scopes. The glass is pretty decent, and they are made in the Philippines.
 
I think your gun and scope should be just fine for 100 yards. I have a few 452 and if I can make one hole at 50 guy should be able to do inch at 100. It would take some playing with different ammo but I think it is possible . I usually just plinking at small rocks at 100 but connect often. When I'm shooting at 100 I use the top of my thik post in my scope and it seems to work. I'm not sure if you moved your( adjusted) eye lance on your scope. I don't have 20-20 any more and it sure helps to have everything crisp.
 
I took the CZ452 out to the range yesterday and shot some decent 50 meter groups and at the end of the day I shot it at 100 meters to see how much drop there is from 50-100...I aimed at the top of the target and it hit about 9 inches low near the bullseye.
Next time out I will set the scope for elevation, almost hate to move it as it shoots well at 50. I was using a sharp black and white target which seemed to help.
 
The Sierra Infinity Suite allows you to create drop charts for a variety of 22 ammo.
BC's are published and changes can be made if you have chronographed specific ammo.
Eley match sighted in at 50 yards will drop about 7" at 100.
Sighted in at 100 will drop about 35" to 200 yards.
Charts can be modified to give drops in 10 yard increments to 220 yards which is close enough for those shooting of metric ranges.
While Eley may show a velocity of 1085, their match ammo publishes the velocity for each lot on the box.
When tested, a published velocity of 1063 was found to be 9 fps low, and 1062 was too close to dispute.
 
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