.22WMR for coyotes and timber wolves

A few winters back my bud shot this yappy little yote right in the melon with his 17 HMR at about 50 meters.........left a golfball sized exit out the other side.
He didn't go far:wave:

While rimfires are capable there are far better tools available for the serious Predator hunter:cool:
 
srt4u2nv said:
the deicussion is not about how hard it is to see a wolf we can all agree on that its will the .22WMR kill one and the answer is yes it will but like everything else there are better caliber choices out there.....but thats no reason to run and buy a new gun if you got a .22WMR and you see a wolf at 100yds give it a shot in the ribs and it WILL die!........I dont know about the wolves in your area but ours are just dogs with a thin hide maybe the ones in your area invested in body armour if a .22WMR rifle isnt enough out to 100yds atleast.
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Hmmm.....never knew there were real wolves that far south in Hastings County?
 
Past experience is a great teacher

H4831 said:
I will guess you have never encountered, shot, or shot at wolves in a real world, wilderness bush situation.
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I get a kick out of those with strong opinions who have never done-that or been there.

H4831's opinion has alot of merit, and I often find myself, carefully reading his well informed posts.
 
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Brutus said:
I get a kick out of those with strong opinions who have never done-that or been there.

H4831's opinion has alot of merit, and I often find myself, carefully reading his well informed posts.
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obviously you failed to read his second post or you would see he was completely off topic on his thinking talking about how hard it is to see wolves....I never knew the caliber of your gun helped to see wolves.....what we are talking about is will a .22WMR drop a wolf not about the wolves amazing ability to stay hidden or its warp speed that out runs any bullet under .30cal......

The answer is plain and simple I dont know why there are so many threads that go on like this. The .22WMR will kill a wolf out to 150yds with a "well placed shot" meaning anywhere in the chest/neck or head 100yds being more perferable.....with that said there is always going to be more suitable calibers like a .22-250 but that wasnt the question was it.

Question: "Is this a good choice and if so, what are the limitations?" I dont see anywhere where it asked how hard it is to see wolves do you?
 
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Gatehouse said:
Not legal for wolves or yotes in BC.

I don't consider it a good wolf cartridge, either.

Might work with good shot placement at closer ranges, but ti's not ideal on a running wolf at unknown ranges.
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Actually, rimfires are perfectly legal for coyotes in BC. Not so for wolves. After reading the rest of the thread, I see BCWILL already sorted this out with you.

Otherwise, I have to agree, it's an acceptable close range coyote round, and a poor wolf round at any range.
 
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BAITRON said:
I shot a fox which is 90 % smaller than a wolf with a .17 HMR at 50 yards. I shot it in the vitals and watched it run at least 3 miles before I lost sight of it. Rimfires are too small for wolves period. It will eventually die but that is unethical and if you can't afford a centerfire rifle you should stick to small game.
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srt4u2nv, and Levi Garrett....

You guys both missed something - the poster's handle is BAITRON.....

Methinks you took it hook, line, AND sinker..... I hope.

Funny this all came up, as I just got my .270 Sako A7 for coyotes and wolves... (we've had huge numbers of yotes the past 2 years, and last year wolves took a moose on the lake. I guess they chased it out there and the moose couldn't get a purchase on the ice, so they had an easier time getting it down. I've seen coyotes use the same tactic on deer too).

Anyhow, a couple of buddies invited me to take the snowmobiles out into the bush a ways for some yote culling, and maybe some wolf if we're lucky enough to see some. I know 270 is too much gun for coyotes, but should be good on wolves.
 
popcan said:
srt4u2nv, and Levi Garrett....

You guys both missed something - the poster's handle is BAITRON.....

Methinks you took it hook, line, AND sinker..... I hope.

Funny this all came up, as I just got my .270 Sako A7 for coyotes and wolves... (we've had huge numbers of yotes the past 2 years, and last year wolves took a moose on the lake. I guess they chased it out there and the moose couldn't get a purchase on the ice, so they had an easier time getting it down. I've seen coyotes use the same tactic on deer too).

Anyhow, a couple of buddies invited me to take the snowmobiles out into the bush a ways for some yote culling, and maybe some wolf if we're lucky enough to see some. I know 270 is too much gun for coyotes, but should be good on wolves.
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OK:D
 
srt4u2nv said:
obviously you failed to read his second post or you would see he was completely off topic on his thinking talking about how hard it is to see wolves....I never knew the caliber of your gun helped to see wolves.....what we are talking about is will a .22WMR drop a wolf not about the wolves amazing ability to stay hidden or its warp speed that out runs any bullet under .30cal......

The answer is plain and simple I dont know why there are so many threads that go on like this. The .22WMR will kill a wolf out to 150yds with a "well placed shot" meaning anywhere in the chest/neck or head 100yds being more perferable.....with that said there is always going to be more suitable calibers like a .22-250 but that wasnt the question was it.

Question: "Is this a good choice and if so, what are the limitations?" I dont see anywhere where it asked how hard it is to see wolves do you?
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Here is what I said in my last post that you seem to be referring to---------
--- if you get a shot at them it will likely be just a fleeting quick shot, or, more likely, the wolf will be seen at very long range, across a frozen lake, or in the alpine.
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Under those conditions where you have no chance to select where you might hit him, just a quick shot at him, with no means of properly placing the bullet the size and speed of the bullet means everything.
Likewise, if it is across a frozen lake, or showing up in the alpine at 300 or 400 yards, you mean it is immaterial what cartridge you are using?
 
Eagleye said:
I have taken a number of wolves with my 220 Swift, using 55 grain Hornadys or 55 Ballistic Tips, and never had one go 25 yds after the hit, including one that was shot just a tad far back. [liver totally annihilated] I have also shot a few with the 6mm Remington, with the 70 gr Ballistic Tip, and I think it is probably a superior Wolf killer, with all wolves I have shot "DRT". Wolves in this area can get to quite a size, [100 lb +] so a marginal chambering is not a great idea. Regards, Eagleye
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Emphasis mine. Sensible advice here, Slooshark1, if you're still wading through this thread. :rolleyes:
 
Slooshark1 said:
Is this a good choice and if so, what are the limitations?
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No.

Without getting into some other fellows "perfect situation" scenarios, these two calibers are not a "good choice" for these animals. A good choice cartridge would have to be able to engage these animals at most ranges encountered (50-500 yards) and be able to reliably drop them with one shot. These cartridges will not do that. If you are #### stuck and need to kill the animal, or in an ideal situation, or something like that then they can serve your purpose in an emergency. But a "good choice" they are not.
 
H4831 said:
Here is what I said in my last post that you seem to be referring to---------
--- if you get a shot at them it will likely be just a fleeting quick shot, or, more likely, the wolf will be seen at very long range, across a frozen lake, or in the alpine.
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Under those conditions where you have no chance to select where you might hit him, just a quick shot at him, with no means of properly placing the bullet the size and speed of the bullet means everything.
Likewise, if it is across a frozen lake, or showing up in the alpine at 300 or 400 yards, you mean it is immaterial what cartridge you are using?
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But remember now we are talking about the wolves that live on the Northshore of Lake Ontario here.................
 
Wolves ARE hard to kill. I am of the opinion that anyone who says wolves are just like "big dogs/coyotes" is incorrect. I'm no scientist, but it has been my experience that while a 22-cal.-whatever may be effective on dogs and coyotes, for some reason wolves just seem tougher. And for that reason I would say a bigger calibre is better.

I mean we could start the argument that "a .22 killed the biggest grizz ever!", but again, we wouldn't recommend the .22 rimfire as a grizz-slayer now would we... Same way a 22 WMR wouldn't be your best choice for wolves, in my opinion.

Wolves are tough. Whack 'em with something bigger.
 
H4831 said:
Here is what I said in my last post that you seem to be referring to---------
--- if you get a shot at them it will likely be just a fleeting quick shot, or, more likely, the wolf will be seen at very long range, across a frozen lake, or in the alpine.
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Under those conditions where you have no chance to select where you might hit him, just a quick shot at him, with no means of properly placing the bullet the size and speed of the bullet means everything.
Likewise, if it is across a frozen lake, or showing up in the alpine at 300 or 400 yards, you mean it is immaterial what cartridge you are using?
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nice to see some ethics the same people saying its not ethical to shoot a yote or a wolf with a .22 are the ones who think a larger caliber makes up for poor shot placement.....lol...if you are iffy about the shot you should not be taking it regardless of the caliber of your rifle. :slap:

.22 in the ribs is deadly .30cal in butt is not .416 in the tail is not
see how that works....if the only time the gent that started this thread seen yotes/wolves are at those 300yd+ distances I'm sure he wouldnt have even posted this thread because thats just common sence at those distances you need atleast .577Trex cause a .22-250 at 4000fps and a 50gr bullet will be deflected by the wolf's shiny pelt.
 
hansol said:
Wolves ARE hard to kill. I am of the opinion that anyone who says wolves are just like "big dogs/coyotes" is incorrect. I'm no scientist, but it has been my experience that while a 22-cal.-whatever may be effective on dogs and coyotes, for some reason wolves just seem tougher. And for that reason I would say a bigger calibre is better.

I mean we could start the argument that "a .22 killed the biggest grizz ever!", but again, we wouldn't recommend the .22 rimfire as a grizz-slayer now would we... Same way a 22 WMR wouldn't be your best choice for wolves, in my opinion.

Wolves are tough. Whack 'em with something bigger.
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I'm also not a scientist but I did pay attention in science when we talked about K9's and I'm pretty sure a wolf is a dog just like a yote and if you poke a hole in its heart and lungs it will die :runaway: who would of thunk it.

you guys are out to lunch no one is saying a .22WMR is the best wolf gun on the market everyone who has said it will work has also said it has limitations of about 100yds not being in the bush and having a clear line of sight is just common sence with any caliber.
 
22 caliber bullets will not bounce off a wolf

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not even at 2900 fps :)
 
Woodbeef said:
But remember now we are talking about the wolves that live on the Northshore of Lake Ontario here.................
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not many lakes in Thomasburg to hunt off of but man the alpine terrian is bad for hunting bullet proof wolves..........there are wolves in ontario although the population is very low around this area there have been more then a few wolf sightings by veteran hunters in the area.....
 
todbartell said:
22 caliber bullets will not bounce off a wolf

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not even at 2900 fps :)
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I call BS there is no way a .22 killed that wolf according to experts in this thread they are so elusive that they are un killable with out major fire power and when you do see them you have to make a quick shot that is poorly placed because its running faster then your bullet can go.

your photo must be doctored because that looks a like a well placed .22 shot and with what I have now learned about wolves I know its not true :runaway:
 
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