$23 airsoft aluminum quad rail fits perfectly on Norinco CQ

badboybeeson said:
But thats the only made in china part on that "made in the usa" gun right....:bsFlag:
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I thought UTG was Leapers and made in the USA? On their website it states UTG "Made in USA". Their new line is supposed to be decent quality (although budget focused). I did read on the Leapers website that there were many "knock offs of UTG products flowing in from ebay". I don't know why the chinese would bother ripping off leapers vs DD or another more well known brand.

Just wondering. Also what other parts of the S&W are suspect as being "Chinese" ?
 
c0ntract said:
I thought UTG was Leapers and made in the USA? On their website it states UTG "Made in USA". Their new line is supposed to be decent quality (although budget focused). I did read on the Leapers website that there were many "knock offs of UTG products flowing in from ebay". I don't know why the chinese would bother ripping off leapers vs DD or another more well known brand.

Just wondering. Also what other parts of the S&W are suspect as being "Chinese" ?
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Knock off UTG...... is that even possable???
 
On leapers website it states all UTG products are made in MI USA.

Supposedly (according to the interwebs) they(UTG) used to be made in Taiwan but they(Leapers) brought production to the US several years ago. So apparently the S&W does not use Chinese parts as the rails have been used in 2012 production. As for Chinese fasteners being metric... What about German made HK, SIG AR's and etc, wouldn't they be using metric as well? What evidence can you find on a US made S&W that proves any part, fasteners or even LPK were made in the PRC?
 
c0ntract said:
On leapers website it states all UTG products are made in MI USA.
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Now you made me go look. I have a UTG Pro AR free float quad rail I bought last year and it is labelled "made in USA". So, the 10/22 rail is made in China and the AR rail is made in USA... Maybe the 10/22 rail is old stock of some sort?


Mark
 
Did you get it from a reputable place?If so, That's what my guess would be. If not, perhaps you got one of the famous UTG knock offs leapers is crying about haha

I wouldn't have said anything but I had just seen a ad online regarding UTG being US made and Leapers having an issue with knock off goods.

As for claiming that S&W is running Chinese parts, I am still waiting to hear what evidence supports that statement. Also just so Supputin knows, China makes both types of fasteners as well as many specialty types. I doubt you could pick out the difference between a high quality Chinese made LPK and a USA made one personally.

IMO high quality and even medium quality Chinese goods is better than a lot of "made in America" small steel parts. Also consider that a lot of the Chinese plants that build/manufacture these small parts are ISO9000xx certified and can build to spec. Point is "Made in China" doesn't mean it is Junk, and "Made in America" doesn't mean it is better. Heck I bet most people here couldn't pic a Chinese part out of an American rifle.
 
c0ntract said:
Did you get it from a reputable place?If so, That's what my guess would be. If not, perhaps you got one of the famous UTG knock offs leapers is crying about haha
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Both purchased from here, which is where the Leapers site directs you to for purchase (or it did when I was first looking, at any rate):

http://www.opsgear.com/

The labelling is also the same on both, so it is either a really good knock off or they manufacture parts in both places. Considering it is on a 10/22, I am not worried about it, but I was curious after you mentioned they say all is made in the USA. The hardware on the 10/22 rail is metric if anybody cares.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming... Sorry to OP for the digression.


Mark
 
TDC said:
Really? Do you think Leapers/UTG/NcStar etc are above lying about where their wares are made?? :rolleyes:

TDC
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For a product to be imported it must bear stamping from the country of export. You are now assuming that customs is in cahoots with leapers and the MI plant in the states that is shipping these products is fictitious. If so where are the parts going that are being made there? TO CHINA! Mind is blown.

The point is UTG and the equipment on the S&W is Merican, then again maybe their raw inputs were Chinese .. Duh duh duh another epic discussion. Then again if the OP's rail is aluminum and he is not using it to pry oper doors or As a substitute for a hammer does it really matter what composition of aluminum alloy the rail is so long as it is in spec enough to attach to the rifle securely and accept the intended pictany attachments.

We all know TDC opinion on Chinese made goods, but after the last Norinco thread I saw you post in I am fairly certain your opinion is founded and perpetuated by misinformation.

For the record I don't own and smith and Wesson products or UTG. So I have no dog in the fight. If mmattocks product did come from China, it came from the Taiwan plant, so that would be decent enough quality. It is only a rail after all on a .22 Lr I wouldn't lose sleep over it either way.
 
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"Range day canceled... Couldn't find a babysitter.

I'm seriously contemplating doing a pure Deal Extreme build. I have a Fake magpul CTR stock, buffer tube, handguard, and pistol grip. If I could just find a stripped lower and upper, I'd be set. "

How solid is the rail. I know $23 is crazy deal & I am considering buying one for fun. Will it hold a flashlight or a grip and not shift around?
 
c0ntract said:
For a product to be imported it must bear stamping from the country of export. You are now assuming that customs is in cahoots with leapers and the MI plant in the states that is shipping these products is fictitious. If so where are the parts going that are being made there? TO CHINA! Mind is blown.

The point is UTG and the equipment on the S&W is Merican, then again maybe their raw inputs were Chinese .. Duh duh duh another epic discussion. Then again if the OP's rail is aluminum and he is not using it to pry oper doors or As a substitute for a hammer does it really matter what composition of aluminum alloy the rail is so long as it is in spec enough to attach to the rifle securely and accept the intended pictany attachments.

We all know TDC opinion on Chinese made goods, but after the last Norinco thread I saw you post in I am fairly certain your opinion is founded and perpetuated by misinformation.

For the record I don't own and smith and Wesson products or UTG. So I have no dog in the fight. If mmattocks product did come from China, it came from the Taiwan plant, so that would be decent enough quality. It is only a rail after all on a .22 Lr I wouldn't lose sleep over it either way.
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Lets start at the beginning. There are many many bogus products manufactured abroad that sport "genuine" brand name markings. These fakes are making their way into many a nations without issue. Why you ask? Well for Canada, customs primary job is tax collecting, not enforcing victimless laws that usually only affect the foolish. I know they put off the vibe and company line that they're "protecting Canada and Canadians". Personally, I don't see them protecting anything but their existence, but that's an entirely different discussion. Regardless if where UTG sh*t is made, its sh*t. Run a reputable brand name and you won't be disappointed. MI, GG&G, Knights, Apex Machine, Troy, Daniel Defense, Lancer, PRI, Geisselle, Samson Mfg, Viking tactics, Centurion, Noveske, Spikes, Vltor, Or Yankee Hill Machine. All solid brands and I'm sure I missed a few. Not overly expensive, but well above the $23 toy being discussed here. The honest truth, if you can't afford quality parts, you likely can't afford to be shooting. More importantly, if you can't afford quality parts, you likely haven't the knowledge or need for them in the first place. Spend the money on ammo.

TDC
 
harbl_the_cat said:
Range day canceled... Couldn't find a babysitter.

I'm seriously contemplating doing a pure Deal Extreme build. I have a Fake magpul CTR stock, buffer tube, handguard, and pistol grip. If I could just find a stripped lower and upper, I'd be set.
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I have no problem with people purchasing either made in China or airsoft products on their AR's or whatever else.
I do have problems with people buying counterfeit items such as fake Magpul products.
Counterfeiting is theft of intelectual property and trademarks.
This burns my ass since I had to go after someone who stole our design and copied it. Not firearms related.

john92awd said:
As long as nobody gets hurt, its his business if he wants to put airsoft parts on his AR...
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If he is putting fake Magpul products on his rifle Magpul Industries is getting hurt financially.
If others see it and it is not up to Magpul standards Magpul may lose business due to perceived poor quality.
If it breaks while at the range and somebody thinks Magpul made it they are getting hurt.
Copyright infringement is not a victimless crime.

I know that Magpul Industries is a huge company and a few fakes won't change their bottom line but there are other small companies that if it were them would be deeply affected financially.
 
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Well I ran a few hundred rounds of .22 and 40 rounds of .223 through my Nork.

With my Vortex Strikefire and NcStar bipod on the DX quad rail, I was landing 2" groups at 50 yards. Same with the irons.

Bipod: dx.com/p/m-3-retractable-aluminum-alloy-tactical-bipod-rifle-stand-for-m4-m16-max-10kg-113961

A few of these knock-off Magpul XTM covers wobbled off loose, but the rail itself held out rather well.

dx.com/p/detachable-21mm-magpul-xtm-rail-panels-set-32-piece-108457

I'll try running my other Nork with a Trijicon Accupoint to see how well it runs.

I'm rather sold on the purchase and think it's well worth it. DX runs a promotion from time to time, to be able to get a $5 discount on orders if you buy a calendar. I'd highly recommend this product.
 
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