I have both the 260, and 25-06, and like both. If you don't handload it is easier to find a variety of different factory 25-06 ammo at local gun shops. This is a huge advantage for the average hunter who makes up atleast 90% of all hunters.
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Johnn Peterson
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your 117gr BTSP Sierra out of the 25-06 @ 3100 fps
my 130gr Swift Scirocco out of the 260 @ 2850 fps
Two inches more bullet drop with 260 @ 500 yards, with 250 yard zero's. 50 fps more velocity @ 500y with 260 (despite a 250 fps headstart @ muzzle for 25-06) . 4" less wind drift with 260 @ 500y
Come on, open your eyesthe 260 is a superior cartridge. And its housed in a rifle you can pack in the hills. This example is 5.75 lbs w/ scope & rings
And still, your 'apples and oranges' comparisons.
I'm not meaning to hi-jack this most informative thread, but I happen to know where to find a 260 Rem. barrel taken off a 700 TI..... has a low round count and that is the only good thing I can say about it....
if 125 vs 117 isnt close enough lets try this
25-06 100gr TTSX @ 3300 fps
400y drop 13" (250y zero) 2340 fps, 1200 ft lbs, 12" wind drift
260 Rem 100gr TTSX @ 3250
400y drop 14" (250y zero) 2260 fps, 1140 ft lbs, 12.5" wind drift
So close you could not tell the difference in the field, but the 25-06 burns 25% more powder to get there, and in a heavier, longer rifle
Johnn Peterson
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even against a flat base 125gr partition the drop difference is only 4" @ 500y
impact velocites/energy/drift are damn near identical
2100 vs 2020 fps impact
1140 ft lbs vs 1130
18.4" drift vs 18.2"
the 260 clearly gives near identical downrange performance, with less powder and fitting in a shorter, lighter gun. And it opens the possibilities to shoot very aerodynamic 130-140gr bullets for even better performace at long range, and heavy for caliber 160gr loads which equal the 30 caliber 220grain for sectional density. Also can shoot 85 grain for varmint. A properly loaded 243 or 6mm on the other side is all over the 25-06 as a varmint rifle
to start comparing the 264 Win Mag to the 260 Rem is getting silly. If we measured cartridge effectiveness by muzzle velocity, well the 25-06 would be better than the 260, and we all know thats not true
case closed! 260 FOR THE WIMPS!
Awwww. More in line with 'apples to apples'. If you have a 264 WM and you want to 'lower' your expectations to the level of the 2nd best 'princess' 260, go with a reduced charge. With the 264 WM you have the 'effectiveness' of the KING but also have the capability to lower yourself or expectations to 'Princess' level if it's too much for you to handle.
You seem to put a lot of stock in the powder savings, so you can afford to go the other way and buy top end bullets? And what, is the vast difference in weight too much for a young guy like you to pack? If an old guy like me can pack it I'm sure you can to if you put your mind to it. But if not, if it's possible to get a 260 in a light weight configuration then you could do the same in a 264 WM, for the WIN
.What's next in your apples and oranges comparison tact? The 'effectiveness' and some superiority aspects of the 270 Win? And then what, a similar comparison with the next in line in some 7mm caliber?
As an end, my hat is off to you, both, for your support and unselfish defenense of the 2nd rate or Princess example of the 6.5 family. It's heart warming to see a couple of you so willing to stand by such an underprivileged, downtroden example of commerical success. Not everyone has that blinder eyed loyality, for all the obvious reasons.
7mm-08 Better? More Versatile Yes
Rem 700 V
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Rem 700V loads compared to 270 and 257 Wby:
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160 A-max, 2750, 3 shots @ 600 yards
110 Speer TNT, 3250, 3 shots @ 600 yards (wind dispersed) , ONE SIGHT IN TARGET AND ONE TARGET SHOT BY ANOTHER FELLOW @ 100 YDS.
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Early hunting loads before Ballistic Tips. Took a moose at 575 yards with the 140 SB, one of many moose taken with this gun.
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Six shot group shot off the hood of my truck at 500 yards down a cutline road. Two different shooters.
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Rem 700 V
Rem 700V loads compared to 270 and 257 Wby:
160 A-max, 2750, 3 shots @ 600 yards
110 Speer TNT, 3250, 3 shots @ 600 yards (wind dispersed) , ONE SIGHT IN TARGET AND ONE TARGET SHOT BY ANOTHER FELLOW @ 100 YDS.
Early hunting loads before Ballistic Tips. Took a moose at 575 yards with the 140 SB, one of many moose taken with this gun.
Six shot group shot off the hood of my truck at 500 yards down a cutline road. Two different shooters.
Johnn Peterson
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Some nice targets lclund1946. Good shooting. I made reference to what I typified as apple to oranges comparisons. Each caliber has its own little nitche in the caliber scale and its own smiling representatives in each of those caliber groups. It's that variation and variety available that helps to make our firearms interests what they are. But again, good shooting.
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The .260 does more with less...
More evidence that the 25-06 pales in comparison to the .260.
The 25-06 is an also ran.....
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Rem 700 V
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Rem 700V loads compared to 270 and 257 Wby:
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160 A-max, 2750, 3 shots @ 600 yards
110 Speer TNT, 3250, 3 shots @ 600 yards (wind dispersed) , ONE SIGHT IN TARGET AND ONE TARGET SHOT BY ANOTHER FELLOW @ 100 YDS.
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Early hunting loads before Ballistic Tips. Took a moose at 575 yards with the 140 SB, one of many moose taken with this gun.
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Six shot group shot off the hood of my truck at 500 yards down a cutline road. Two different shooters.
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Yup..257 Wby is far superior..didn't need a chart and targets for that..could have just asked
The 7-08 is a very nice cartridge, but doesn't offer much beyond the 7x57 Mauser which has been around for almost 120 years. All hail the 7x57
And isn't the .260 Rem just a modern day marketting takeoff on the excellent 6.5x55 Swedish which is also pushing 120?
People got it very right a long time ago with ctgs like the 6.5x55, 7x57, 8x57, and .30-06.
All hail the 7x57And isn't the .260 Rem just a modern day marketting takeoff on the excellent 6.5x55 Swedish which is also pushing 120?
People got it very right a long time ago with ctgs like the 6.5x55, 7x57, 8x57, and .30-06.
You seem to put a lot of stock in the powder savings, so you can afford to go the other way and buy top end bullets? And what, is the vast difference in weight too much for a young guy like you to pack? If an old guy like me can pack it I'm sure you can to if you put your mind to it. But if not, if it's possible to get a 260 in a light weight configuration then you could do the same in a 264 WM, for the WIN
since you've figured out how to post pics finally, lets see some 25-06 kills of yours. That should add some interest to this thread
Rifle pictures on a shag carpet with huge moose medallion doesn't count as hunting pics.BTW a 6 lb 264 Win Mag would create 35 ft lbs of recoil, which is 200% more than a 260. No deer will know the difference between the cartridges if you place the bullet in the right spot. Same with 25-06. 260 is cheaper to shoot and has longer barrel life, so you can do more shooting for the same $, which is what long range marksmanship is all about. Not muzzle velocity. How do ya like them apples
Johnn Peterson
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since you've figured out how to post pics finally, lets see some 25-06 kills of yours. That should add some interest to this thread
BTW a 6 lb 264 Win Mag would create 35 ft lbs of recoil, which is 200% more than a 260. No deer will know the difference between the cartridges if you place the bullet in the right spot. Same with 25-06. 260 is cheaper to shoot and has longer barrel life, so you can do more shooting for the same $, which is what long range marksmanship is all about. Not muzzle velocity. How do ya like them apples
Awwwwww. If you don't like the pictures, then don't look. I've posted previously, if you recall, why I bought the 25-06. Some long range shooting, long range varmint and predator shooting and as a possible choice for what should be an Antelope draw in AB within the next couple of years.
A manufacturers R&D, promotional efforts and those of retail sales depend upon those like you. Some one that gets caught up in the sales pitch and hype of 'some' newer products, even though it may replicate products and in this case calibers that for the most part already exist. Through this hopeful straw grasping at sales hype, the odd good development does come along and does become a popular item with the interested buying public. This does not appear to be the case with the 260. With the business you're in you're probably already well aware of that. How do ya like them oranges?
A 6lb 264 WM would generate 200% more recoil than a 260 of the same weight, using the same weight of bullet at possibly 200 or 300 f/sec higher velocity? 200% more you say!! I'd venture to say you were sleeping through more than one of your physics classes. Again, if you find a steady diet of the 264 WM too hard or too much to handle, load it down to something more within your means, like the 260.
Well, there we do agree. Down range marksmanship is what it's all about and the bottem line. Although, the velocity does enhance trajectory and therefore down range performance, especially hunting. It amounts to accurately knowing your range and the capabilities of the caliber.
190% actually (18 vs 34). 120gr @ 2950 fps vs 3400 fps (45grs powder vs 65) in 6 lbs rifles
I dont shoot a 260 because its the most popular factory cartridge to come out since the 30-06, I shoot it because it works as well or better than most anything else between 243 & 270 Win, and that includes the 25-06 and 264 WM
if the 6.5x55 fit in a 2.8" Rem 700 it would probably be my favorite
The 7-08 is a very nice cartridge, but doesn't offer much beyond the 7x57 Mauser which has been around for almost 120 years.
And isn't the .260 Rem just a modern day marketting takeoff on the excellent 6.5x55 Swedish which is also pushing 120?
People got it very right a long time ago with ctgs like the 6.5x55, 7x57, 8x57, and .30-06.
Absolutely the FTW post!
The 6.5 swed is the 6.5 er 260 KING. Remington just Americanized it so inbred North Americans would take the bait! lol If North Americans were just a little smarter there would be millions of 7x64 Brenneke rifles here and we never would have experienced the 280Rem/7mmExpress fiasco. 280Rem happens to be my favourite of all but if we had the 7x64 I'd have never missed it.
American (which is really ours too) gun history is rife with imposters like the 260Rem mimicking great European cartridges for the sake of making it easier for the American brain to digest.
I say it again, purple FTW!
Tod,you wording was not correct,in that the 264win mag produces about 190% of the recoil of the 260,but it doesn't produce 200% MORE recoil than the 260.In fact 200% MORE recoil,would be triple the recoil.Double the recoil would be 100% MORE recoil.
Johnn Peterson
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Exactly.
Did a bit of searching of site sponsors and a few other sources, just for the hell of it. What I found available in 260's for sale is indicative of their popularity. Elwood Epps had one.
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The 7-08 is a very nice cartridge, but doesn't offer much beyond the 7x57 Mauser which has been around for almost 120 years.
And isn't the .260 Rem just a modern day marketting takeoff on the excellent 6.5x55 Swedish which is also pushing 120?
People got it very right a long time ago with ctgs like the 6.5x55, 7x57, 8x57, and .30-06.
Had to add, at least the 25-06 is an original. The 260REM is kinda like well, New Coke.
