25 Yard Freestyle Accuracy.....let's play a game.

Figured Id give it a go. I had a malfunction (GASP! IN A GLOCK!) and threw the third round.
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Crap, I only shot 5! I'll shoot 10 tomorrow.
 
Ganderite said:
Looks to me you saw how good they were and started to smile - and changed your sight picture. A self correcting problem.

When I throw a bad shot, it usually goes high, like yours.
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This is great info. I know when I shot prone I used a few optical tricks with my eyes, but never heard that before. Makes a lot of sense actually, thanks for posting.
 
Clobbersauras said:
This is great info. I know when I shot prone I used a few optical tricks with my eyes, but never heard that before. Makes a lot of sense actually, thanks for posting.
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Actually, I was kidding. But, in rifle shooting there is a risk of putting together a good string of bulls and then starting to think about a good score. This changes the mental process that was getting the good results and then it hits the fan. As a coach, I tell the shooter that he started to think about results and the smile changed his cheek pressure. He has to think in terms of one perfect shot at a time. Period.

The worst form of this mental collapse is when you are stressed about firing the last shot to get the perfect score. It is a hurdle that every shooter has to learn to deal with and a challenge to coaches.
 
Heh, well I feel stupid. I thought you were serious. LOL!

When shooting prone, after getting set, and checking natural point of aim and fussing and finally, happy with my position, I would close my eyes for a few seconds and then open them. For a split second the target and peep sight would contact and expand and end in better clarity than I would normally have. I thought you were talking about something along those lines with smiling. But I'm a dumbass....
 
Ganderite said:
Actually, I was kidding. But, in rifle shooting there is a risk of putting together a good string of bulls and then starting to think about a good score. This changes the mental process that was getting the good results and then it hits the fan. As a coach, I tell the shooter that he started to think about results and the smile changed his cheek pressure. He has to think in terms of one perfect shot at a time. Period.

The worst form of this mental collapse is when you are stressed about firing the last shot to get the perfect score. It is a hurdle that every shooter has to learn to deal with and a challenge to coaches.
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I remember when I starting shooting ipsc I would allways drop the ball towards the end of a stage that I was running really well.becouse my mind started thinking about my time so I suffered with sloppy mag changesor forgetting my game plan on when to reload so now I just think one trigger press at a time and dont think about the next till I hit the reset.
Sometimes your own mind is your worst enemy
 
Clobbersauras said:
Heh, well I feel stupid. I thought you were serious. LOL!

When shooting prone, after getting set, and checking natural point of aim and fussing and finally, happy with my position, I would close my eyes for a few seconds and then open them. For a split second the target and peep sight would contact and expand and end in better clarity than I would normally have. I thought you were talking about something along those lines with smiling. But I'm a dumbass....
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What you just describe is a very good explanation or reality. The eye 'burns an image" if you look at something very long/. then you can no longer see the sight and white bars clearly. Look at the outside window for 10 seconds, then look at the inside wall and blink your eyes. You can see the burned in image.

You are (or were) a high level shooter. You describe something most do not know about.

I used to be high level, too. National team. Gold medals. Then some coaching. But that was all rifle. Pistol is just for fun, but shooting poorly is not fun, so I do try to a certain extent.
 
Ganderite said:
Actually, I was kidding. But, in rifle shooting there is a risk of putting together a good string of bulls and then starting to think about a good score. This changes the mental process that was getting the good results and then it hits the fan. As a coach, I tell the shooter that he started to think about results and the smile changed his cheek pressure. He has to think in terms of one perfect shot at a time. Period.

The worst form of this mental collapse is when you are stressed about firing the last shot to get the perfect score. It is a hurdle that every shooter has to learn to deal with and a challenge to coaches.
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reminds me of a story a friend told me, back in the 70's my friends dad was serious into benchrest and would have my friend test rifles. One day they were out shooting with a couple of the bench guys and got my friend to shoot a group out of one of their better rifles. He shoots a few and silence. fourth shot goes off and a couple guys make comments under their breath, this gets him going trying to figure out if its a good group, his dad tells him just to 'shoot the damn group' but he had already lost his edge pulls the fifth shot out of a perfect "one hole" group. Such is life.
 


Full disclosure here boys: this isn't the regulation target you guys are using - I think mine may be bigger but whatever ... the usual suspects pretty much have the competition nailed down anyhow, and I cannot de-throne them with rusty nerves and a filthy attitude! Once I get back in the swing of things I will take more care with my targets, these were the only ones I could get for now. I score that at 87; but I am mystified by that one flier down low. Buddy in the next lane was spraying and praying and I think he may have clipped my target. Either that, or I loaded 11 rounds and dropped one...but I usually can call my fliers and I usually go high when I poop the bed on the firing line. Yes, that is a flash suppressor on it, and yes I have been beaten up by the cool kids and given the mother of all wedgies for using it. I don't care, if I could get a fake (or real) can on it I would probably be running that too! I never seem to do much better with this gun, I just can't seem to get it to group for me. I have a Springfield match pistol inbound and will retire the HK once I am sure the replacement gun is worthy.



I haven't fired this old girl in YEARS! My god, how is it that these guns seem to just slip into the gun locker and disappear? This little Ruger is about 30 years old now. When I bought this gun scopes on pistols were still something of a novelty. Shooting with a scoped pistol the damndest thing - give me a big black target and my groups open up to fit it. Give me a small one and they seem to shrink with it.

Next time I fully intend to sweep the competition by carefully preparing for it: before the shoot I will fortify myself and steady my nerves by slamming a bottle of scotch, a bottle of pepto-bismal and a shot of liquid plumber. The leading contenders are duly warned.
 
The Ruger target makes it clear you can shoot. The HK target is not quite up to your standards.

Do you reload for the HK? Have you tried a string of different powder charges fro 0.5 g less than minimum all the way up to Max, in 0.3 gr increments? I do that with each pistol and note what it likes. There is often a huge difference between one load and the others.

The HK might shoot a lot better with just a little more or less powder.
 
Ganderite said:
The Ruger target makes it clear you can shoot. The HK target is not quite up to your standards.

Do you reload for the HK? Have you tried a string of different powder charges fro 0.5 g less than minimum all the way up to Max, in 0.3 gr increments? I do that with each pistol and note what it likes. There is often a huge difference between one load and the others.

The HK might shoot a lot better with just a little more or less powder.
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I did a bit, Gander. This ammo was some old patty-cake target stuff I loaded back in 2010: 4.9 gr. of Red Dot, WW primers and mixed brass. I went up and down the scale with that on the HK and then again with W231. If I recall I taper crimped them to about .469". Nothing seemed to change. Even back then when I was at the top of my game, the groups weren't that much smaller and the gun didn't seem to care what I fed it. Other than some feeding problems on the extreme low power loads - it seems to be about a 3~4" gun in the hand.

The Ruger is like that too. I shot the last of my Winchester Wildcats yesterday, and offhand...it doesn't matter if I am using my bargain bin ammo or Eley or Lapua match ammo - groups are pretty much the same! I don't use the expensive stuff...I might break it out if I were up against a sniper like you in a formal sanctioned shoot and at the top of my game ... but other than that, in the real world, from shooting positions... my pistols don't seem to give a hoot what you feed them. When my match pistol comes in I may need to give you a shout. What is a good powder to run in .45ACP these days?
 
"What is a good powder to run in .45ACP these days?"

I have a number of 45ACP pistols. Most of them shoot best with a lead 200 SWC over 4.3gr of Titegroup.

When I used to compete seriously with my 22, I used DND issue Winchester stnd vel ammo. It worked as well as anything and better than some.
 
Finally made it out to the range with the official target. Did one attempt each with a Sig P226 and a Glock 35 Gen 4

84 1x with Sig
86 1x with Glock

Will post with pics when I get closer to 100 lol
 
Inspired by Ganderite, I dragged along a differnt handgun to try today and squeezed out a sloppy 99-3x (the shot at 7:00 really does gauge as a 10 thanks to 44 cal holes)

10.0 grains of Unique and a Magnus 429421

 
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